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  • #16
    Richard North is a right wing eurosceptic, who hates Europeans and thinks climate change is a myth.

    He also knows even less about Armoured Vehicles than RGJ, which is saying something. He rightly sees through theMOD'S spin/propaganda about Jackal being a "wonder vehicle" but hates the FRES utility, simply because he sees it as European. He loves Mastiff/Jackal, but as General Dannett ooiints out, they are heavy patrol vehicles, and have lots of limitations

    However he is right about the MOD being crap at buying things. And he also has picked up on fact that institutional hubris, and a feeling that they had nothing to learn, led to the british campaigns in Basra and Afghanistan not being their finest hour, to put it mildly.

    As for the LTAV, well the DF waited for the design to mature, and they could afford to, and have ended up with a vehicle that is worth the wait. Essentially, what Dannett said on Wednesday was that he'd give his left nut to have AFV's as capable as the ones the PDF have.
    Last edited by paul g; 1 August 2010, 12:59.

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    • #17
      RGJ,
      Here is just one example of the CGS complaing about the delays at Chilcot.

      7 I think we have already this morning mentioned the
      8 fact that even now the Ministry of Defence I understand
      9 is deliberating between two contenders for effectively
      10 a Snatch replacement. This is 2010. That was 2003/4.
      11 SIR LAWRENCE FREEDMAN: Then there was Mastiff.

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      • #18
        Tim,

        Here is one example of what I'm experiencing right now.

        www - how it is now

        41C - fcuking redders!

        too much beer to drink, catch ya later pal.
        RGJ

        ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

        The Rifles

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
          the vehicles we have not yet chosen have obviously not yet been made - so an in service date of 2011 is pretty good i reckon.

          the Irish DF took 5 years to get just 66 vehicles into service:

          www - Irish DF vehicle contract announced in 2005

          we also got Mastiff and Ridgeback into service pretty quickly in which tens if not hundreds of lives have probably already been saved.

          and c'mon - would you really expect Richard North of that anti-British propaganda website to have anything good to say about this subject?!

          That competition fell through for those 65 LTV's because what was available at the time

          were first generation. and not up to what we wanted.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by sofa View Post
            That competition fell through for those 65 LTV's because what was available at the time

            were first generation. and not up to what we wanted.
            so why order something you don't want? still took 5 years.
            RGJ

            ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

            The Rifles

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
              so why order something you don't want? still took 5 years.

              The main difference being is that the Irish Army was not at war but Cpl. Sarah Bryant and many other young soldiers died because of the incompetence shown at all levels. Paul g is right- Gen. Dannatt would have given his right arm to have the RG32M.


              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-training.html
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              Last edited by timhorgan; 2 August 2010, 09:27.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                so why order something you don't want? still took 5 years.
                There were actually 2 tender competitions:

                1)The first competition was cancelled in September 2005 on the recommendation of the DF "until the market for such vehicles was more mature" (ie to make sure we got the best available and due to the fact we wouldn't accept a prototype). As an interim measure we exercised our last option on MOWAGs in December 2005 on got 15 armed with a combination of 30mm turret and RIWS (HMG / GMG), delivers started in February 2007.


                2) The tender was put out in May 2008, the closing date was July 2008, trials ended in November 2008, the contract was awarded in January 09. The first vehicles were delivered to Ireland by April this year. Less than 18 months after the contract was signed and less than 2 years after the tender went out.

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