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    trellheim
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    Locked : have had it up to me bollix with this stupidity.

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  • knocker
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    As youve asked so nicely c s ill see what i can do

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    Originally posted by knocker View Post
    Ok ive stopped laughing now. if that day ever came , id sign out my weapon and travel the short distance to hunt you horgan.
    How exactly does the system of signing out weapons in the BA work? would it be possible to say sign out a second rifle for someone off the internet you've never met until then?

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  • Vanguard
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    Originally posted by paul g View Post
    Nope,

    the DF has a proud history, in particular with regards to overseas service from the Congo onwards. Unit ethos is very strong in the DF.

    Training in the PDF has improved out of all recognition since the early 1990's.

    As for equipment, in areas like small arms, comms and AFV's we've got far better stuff that the british. The Df compares very well with other small European NATO members.

    I think there was a time when the british army and the Uk had living standards and conditions of service that were far higher, but not anymore. Despite the recession, Ireland is a vastly different nation to the one it was back in the early 1990's.

    in fact I think the remaining residue of "we're not as good as the british" etc "our politicians are corrupt, we should ask the queen to run us again", "all british are evil" is the worse thing about this country. I've lived there, its not better, in fact give me the HSE before the NHS any day of the week. I've also met british politicians, if anything they're worse than ours. I also know enough people in whitehall to know that there are some very savage cuts being readied for October in the UK.

    But its no secret that the war in Afghanistan is not going according to plan, that its unpopular, that a lot of soldiers are coming back to become jail fodder, (remember i worked in a prison), and I think that people should get the full picture, rather than the constant snide remarks that RGJ directs at the DF.


    Your just repeating bs as said on programs like the late, late show. You dont have better small arms, the steyr aug and SA80 A2 are a close call, but the A2 has better optics, you certainly dont have the variety of support weapons the BA has . Your seriously claiming Irish army comms equiptment is better then the satellite and digital computer systems the BA uses? Which cost hundreds of millions of pounds. I agree the bowman has a poor rep.

    The Army Tactical Computer System (ATacCS) provides the Army with a LAN and WAN based command and control system (for in and out of barracks use) across the whole battlespace.

    AFVs, you have around 80, according to reports many are not in service.

    A FLEET of 80 armoured personnel carriers bought by the Irish army at a total cost of €120m has suffered a series of problems including multiple cracks, faulty transmissions, failing speedometers and wheels that simply fall off.

    Documents released by the defence forces under the Freedom of Information Act reveal “ongoing concerns” with the Mowag Piranha IIIs and that €5m has been paid to acquire spare parts, despite an extensive warranty.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4365005.ece

    In terms of kit. I dont think so, most of this stuff is only issued to SOF in other armies.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09...ry_for_troops/


    • Thermal sights will be provided for rifles, marksman's weapons and light machineguns. These can be used to detect hidden enemies and bombs while on patrol, and function even in total darkness - when the regular light-amplifying night vision gear now in use doesn't work. This stuff is already in use by some units, and is considered good by our sources.


    Fire-team commanders will get new "Target Locating System" binoculars containing laser rangefinders and digital compasses, allowing them to mark things they see accurately on a map. This is actually quite basic stuff nowadays, and even in the British army forward artillery spotters and similar specialists have had such kit for some time. It's new for ordinary infantrymen to have it, however.

    There is the option to hook up the binos to a sat nav and a data net, so calculating the coordinates of a target and sending them to other units automatically, but it wasn't clear at DSEi how much of this capability will be delivered to British infantry and our informants were also unsure. One does note that the only current option for infantry data transmission.

    • There will also be some ruggedised digital cameras and simple periscopes for peering over walls and round corners without getting shot. The FIST project was originally expected to include on-gun cameras feeding an image to a helmet display for this sort of purpose
    Vanguard
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  • knocker
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    Originally posted by timhorgan View Post
    1. It was the BSAP- a fine body of men-and women. Irish-run of course!!
    In the finest traditions of our cousins who ran the NYPD, Boston PD, Chicago PD, Sydney PD etc.etc.etc.
    2. I had dual Irish/Rhodesian citizenship.
    3. I was in love with a beautiful young Rhodesian girl.

    But it had nothing to do with the fact that Ian Smith had declared the Republic of Rhodesia and broken away from GB. (Even if Ian Smith did have a tendency to trust the Irish on the basis that they would be unlikely to work for Brit. Int).

    Happy now?
    No not really timmy. You still havent answered my question. Why didnt you join the Irish Army ? Just imagine all the combat experience you could have brought to the Irish Army All that COIN knowledge going to waste in your own bedroom when it could have and should have been put to better use - serving your country

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  • knocker
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    Originally posted by timhorgan View Post
    HH, this is what I also said.



    I did not raise the question but it should also be asked.

    In the event (unlikely, I know) that a state of war existed between GB and Ireland who would they owe allegiance to?
    Ok ive stopped laughing now. if that day ever came , id sign out my weapon and travel the short distance to hunt you horgan.

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  • timhorgan
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    I know things have improved a bit since 2008 but this was Dannatt in 2008- see him say much the same at Chilcot 2010.


    Many soldiers living in poverty.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ls-825928.html


    Colonel Clive Fairweather: Former SAS deputy commander: "I really do think the Army is heading for the rocks and I don't say this lightly"
    I believe General Dannatt and Col. Fairweather.
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  • knocker
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    Originally posted by paul g View Post
    And I know several people in the british army who are desperate to leave.

    If you have to go on boasting about how great you are, then its a sure sign you aren't.
    Your " desperate " friends can go anytime they want. If their need to leave is so great and if they want , can skip the usual re-settlement courses that are provided for every service man and woman leaving. The army will get along just fine without them.

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  • timhorgan
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    Madam, — I am outraged at the attitude displayed by the Irishmen who talked to Mark Hennessy. They seem to forget that those who wear the British army uniform are endorsing the history of Britain’s shameful occupation of half of the world’s countries.

    Likewise, those who vote for Sinn Féin are effectively saying they forgive the Provisional IRA for murdering and maiming their fellow citizens over the past four decades. – Yours, etc,

    EDDIE WALSH,

    Abbott Street,

    Long Eaton,


    Nottingham.

    Interesting comparison by Mr Walsh above in yesterday's IT.

    What we must also bear in mind is that every Opinion Poll in every EU country, in Canada and the USA shows consistently large majorities against both the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Netherlands withdrew from Afghanistan this week. Canada is leaving soon and there are powerful movements throughout the EU for withdrawal.

    So, when anyone decides to volunteer to join a foreign army to fight in Afghanistan it is quite legitimate to question the motive. What is disgusting and insulting is when these people try to tell us that they are fighting in our name. Not so.

    (On the 20th November there is a large NATO conference in Lisbon. Pres. Obama will be attending as will most of the NATO heads of state. Large anti-war demonstrations are now being planned in every European capital for that day).

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  • paul g
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    Originally posted by Vanguard View Post
    You would love it if the Irish army had even 10% of the battlehonors, unit history, ethos, specialist training and overseas missions the British army does.

    Nope,

    the DF has a proud history, in particular with regards to overseas service from the Congo onwards. Unit ethos is very strong in the DF.

    Training in the PDF has improved out of all recognition since the early 1990's.

    As for equipment, in areas like small arms, comms and AFV's we've got far better stuff that the british. The Df compares very well with other small European NATO members.

    I think there was a time when the british army and the Uk had living standards and conditions of service that were far higher, but not anymore. Despite the recession, Ireland is a vastly different nation to the one it was back in the early 1990's.

    in fact I think the remaining residue of "we're not as good as the british" etc "our politicians are corrupt, we should ask the queen to run us again", "all british are evil" is the worse thing about this country. I've lived there, its not better, in fact give me the HSE before the NHS any day of the week. I've also met british politicians, if anything they're worse than ours. I also know enough people in whitehall to know that there are some very savage cuts being readied for October in the UK.

    But its no secret that the war in Afghanistan is not going according to plan, that its unpopular, that a lot of soldiers are coming back to become jail fodder, (remember i worked in a prison), and I think that people should get the full picture, rather than the constant snide remarks that RGJ directs at the DF.
    Last edited by paul g; 4 August 2010, 11:41.

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  • hedgehog
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    Originally posted by timhorgan View Post
    HH, this is what I also said.



    I did not raise the question but it should also be asked.

    In the event (unlikely, I know) that a state of war existed between GB and Ireland who would they owe allegiance to?
    you also said:

    As highlighted in the IT letters in view of our common history there must be at least a question mark today over any Irishman who volunteers to join the BA. I would be especially careful of those who claimed that they are joining for "excitement". Many of those quoted in the IT made this claim. On that basis alone-a clear indication of physchopathic tendencies- I feel that today's professional Irish Army is better off without them, and as HH indicates-would not have made the grade anyway.

    Good riddance, I say!.



    your even misquoting or mal quoting yourself

    In the event (unlikely, I know) that a state of war existed between GB and Ireland who would they owe allegiance to?
    What a crock of shite-

    Tim just do one.

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  • timhorgan
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    HH, this is what I also said.

    I have every respect for an Englishman who serves his country and joins the BA. I have every respect for an Irishman who likewise joins our army. This is a noble and worthy calling.
    I did not raise the question but it should also be asked.

    In the event (unlikely, I know) that a state of war existed between GB and Ireland who would they owe allegiance to?

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  • timhorgan
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    Vanguard;How would they not have made the grade? I find it quite amusing when people claim Irishmen some of whom serve in units like the Royal Marines and Parachute regiment (one was quoted)would not have made the grade in the Irish army.


    Vanguard-the quote below is from someone called Vanguard on this site 27 Jan 2010.

    Its not a one way st either, its common to hear that Irish serving in the BA are Irish army rejects, not up to getting in the defence forces, from many inc the media in the republic.

    I personally do not understand how recruiting is done in the republic, a few yrs back my mate never got in but was accepted in the Royal Marines and served 5 yrs. I dont understand how high calibre people get rejected in some cases for people bordering on unfit and girls, I really dont get it.

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  • hedgehog
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    Originally posted by timhorgan View Post
    Some Brit. Duke or other was in the IT yesterday and made some remarks about the long and honourable traditions of Irishmen fighting for the British Army.

    I have news for His Grace. There is a much, much longer, and much,much more honourable tradition of Irishmen - and women - fighting against the British Army.

    I have every respect for an Englishman who serves his country and joins the BA. I have every respect for an Irishman who likewise joins our army. This is a noble and worthy calling.

    "Dulce est Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori"

    The key point above is of course "Pro Patria".

    As highlighted in the IT letters in view of our common history there must be at least a question mark today over any Irishman who volunteers to join the BA. I would be especially careful of those who claimed that they are joining for "excitement". Many of those quoted in the IT made this claim. On that basis alone-a clear indication of physchopathic tendencies- I feel that today's professional Irish Army is better off without them, and as HH indicates-would not have made the grade anyway.

    Good riddance, I say!.

    Tim if your going to quote or refer to me- then do it correctly-

    I said that Coyne couldnt know the majority of the Irish Army are fat and lazy just as I couldnt know that he had failed or washed out of recruit training-

    I have great respect for lads who head across the water to serve either with the

    Brits- the Yanks- the Aussies- the Canucks etc- Please dont ever twist my words.


    I think this is insulting in the extreme;

    As highlighted in the IT letters in view of our common history there must be at least a question mark today over any Irishman who volunteers to join the BA.

    and as a person who joined the Defence Forces for "excitement" I find this statement also insulting and disgusting

    I would be especially careful of those who claimed that they are joining for "excitement". Many of those quoted in the IT made this claim. On that basis alone-a clear indication of physchopathic tendencies-
    And as for your misquote from Wilfred Owen-At least Owen had the bolliz to serve in an Army- whereas you well in reality who knows what you did, maybe your the battle shy youth Horace refers to;

    for your conveneince I have included the translation;

    Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori:
    mors et fugacem persequitur virum
    nec parcit inbellis iuventae
    poplitibus timidove tergo.

    "How sweet and fitting it is to die for one's country:
    Death pursues the man who flees,
    spares not the hamstrings or cowardly backs
    Of battle-shy youths."

    Now leave me alone- dont ever misquote me again- dont bring me into your squabbles.

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  • Vanguard
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    Originally posted by paul g View Post
    And I know several people in the british army who are desperate to leave.

    If you have to go on boasting about how great you are, then its a sure sign you aren't.


    You would love it if the Irish army had even 10% of the battlehonors, unit history, ethos, specialist training and overseas missions the British army does.

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