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    British forces were advised by a military study that paedophilia is widespread and culturally accepted in southern Afghanistan.

    British officers requested the study to help them understand the sexual behaviour of locals and Afghan comrades. Older, powerful men boosted their social status by keeping boys as sexual playthings and the practice was celebrated in song and dance, a military study claimed.

    British officers in Helmand requested the study to help them understand the sexual behaviour of locals and Afghan comrades after young soldiers became uneasy they were being propositioned.

    American social scientists employed to help troops understand the local culture reported that homosexual sex was widespread among the Pashtun ethnic group in southern Afghanistan.

    Strict separation of men and women, coupled with poverty and the significant expense of getting married, contributed to young men turning to each other for sexual companionship.

    "To dismiss the existence of this dynamic out of desire to avoid western discomfort is to risk failing to comprehend an essential social force underlying Pashtun culture," the report said.

    The study, called 'Pashtun Sexuality', said that as well as willing sex between young men, "boys are appreciated for physical beauty and apprenticed to older men for their sexual initiation".

    The practice of 'bache bazi' or boy play, is known throughout Afghanistan, but is particularly renowned in the city of Kandahar next to Helmand, where prepubescent boys are widely admired.

    Western soldiers often report feeling unease at the attentions of their Afghan comrades, who are affectionate with each other and sometimes wear make-up.

    British troops have also talked of their disgust at police or militias keeping young boys as hangers on.

    Anna Maria Cardinalli, author of the report, said British officers requested the research in the summer of 2009 when she worked with them in Lashkar Gah.

    She said: "They were having young men who were beginning to feel uncomfortable because they felt they were being approached." She said the study gave no advice about what action troops should take if they confronted paedophilia.

    A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said: “Afghanistan is a sovereign nation with its own law under which the sexual abuse of children is illegal.

    “British forces working as part the wider [coalition] force continue to work with and assist the Afghan National Security Forces, including the Afghan National Army and Afghan Police, to ensure that the rule of law in Afghanistan is adhered to and upheld.”

    Source: Daily Telegraph, 13/01/2011

  • #2
    So on one side you have a highly motivated Taliban on the other a bunch of degenerate Afghans,without NATO the Taliban will walk in.

    I cant see Afghan forces ever being up to the job or their corrupt leaders.
    Vanguard
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    • #3
      Episode fuelled Afghan demands that private security firms be brought much more under government control

      Thursday 2 December 2010 21.30 GMT


      A scandal involving foreign contractors employed to train Afghan policemen who took drugs and paid for young "dancing boys" to entertain them in northern Afghanistan caused such panic that the interior minister begged the US embassy to try and "quash" the story, according to one of the US embassy cables released by WikiLeaks.

      In a meeting with the assistant US ambassador, a panicked Hanif Atmar, the interior minister at the time of the episode last June, warned that the story would "endanger lives" and was particularly concerned that a video of the incident might be made public.

      The episode helped to fuel Afghan demands that contractors and private security companies be brought under much tighter government control. However, the US embassy was legally incapable of honouring a request by Atmar that the US military should assume authority over training centres managed by DynCorp, the US company whose employees were involved in the incident in the northern province of Kunduz.

      There is a long tradition of young boys dressing up as girls and dancing for men in Afghanistan, an activity that sometimes crosses the line into child abuse with Afghans keeping boys as possessions.
      Although rarely discussed or criticised in Afghanistan, it is conceivable that the involvement of foreigners could have turned into a major public scandal. Atmar himself warned about public anger towards contractors, who he said "do not have many friends" and said they needed far greater oversight.

      He also said tighter control was needed over Afghan employees of such companies as well.
      "He was convinced that the Kunduz incident, and other events where mentors had obtained drugs, could not have happened without Afghan participation," the cable said.

      Two Afghan policemen and nine other Afghans were arrested as part of investigations into a crime described by Atmar as "purchasing a service from a child", which the cable said was against both sharia law and the civil code.

      He insisted that a journalist looking into the incident should be told that the story would endanger lives, and that the US should try to quash the story. But US diplomats cautioned against an "overreaction" and said that approaching the journalist involved would only make the story worse.

      "A widely-anticipated newspaper article on the Kunduz scandal has not appeared but, if there is too much noise that may prompt the journalist to publish," the cable said.

      The strategy appeared to work when an article was published in July by the Washington Post about the incident, which made little of the affair, saying it was an incident of "questionable management oversight" in which foreign DynCorp workers "hired a teenage boy to perform a tribal dance at a company farewell party".

      In fact, the episode was causing palpitations at the top of government, including in the presidential palace.

      The cable records: "Atmar said that President Karzai had told him that his (Atmar's) 'prestige' was in play in management of the Kunduz DynCorp matter and another recent event in which Blackwater contractors mistakenly killed several Afghan citizens. The President had asked him 'Where is the justice?'"

      According to a separate cable both incidents helped fuel Afghan government demands "to hold a tighter rein over [private security companies]" – a demand that also led Atmar to offer that the overstretched police should take over protection for military convoys in the south of Afghanistan.

      Earlier this year Karzai issued a decree calling for the dissolution of all private security companies by the end of the year, an edict that has since been slightly watered down.

      In a meeting between Atmar and the assistant ambassador Joseph Mussomeli, the US diplomat said he was deeply upset by the incident and that the embassy was considering Afghan demands that the US military should beginning overseeing the DynCrop operations.

      Privately, however, they knew that such an arrangement was not "legally possible under the DynCorp contract".

      Foreign contractors hired Afghan 'dancing boys', WikiLeaks cable reveals | World news | guardian.co.uk

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      • #4
        Here's a documentary on the issue from channel 4.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOtrUWWpVrY&list=SL
        Theirs not to make reply,
        Theirs not to reason why,
        Theirs but to do and die:
        Into the valley of Death
        Rode the six hundred.

        The Charge of the Light Brigade

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        • #5
          Alexander the Great passed through here.

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          • #6
            Actually paedophilia is essentially caused by a situation where males cannot form sexual realtionships with adult females Therefore they opt for a substitute, a sexual relationship with a child. In a places like afghanistan, where women are closeted so to speak for cultural reasons, be it modern day afghanistan or 4th century Athens, young boys fulfill that function.

            People in the uk who in the last week or so read about pakistani males grooming young white girls for sex, might be surprised to find that its quite common in Pakistan. What happens is that a vulnerable young female are isolated from the community (orphans with no brothers are the favourite target ) and then gang raped by a group of males over a prolonged period. I knew an islamic terrorist from Birmingham who told me that he was shocked when he first went to a madrassa, and after the service, everybody at the service gang raped a young girl.
            Last edited by paul g; 15 January 2011, 00:34.

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            • #7
              i never realised all that went on Paul G, i guess we are worlds apart in our different cultures in some ways.

              now does anyone know of any cheap flights to Madrassa?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Vanguard View Post
                So on one side you have a highly motivated Taliban on the other a bunch of degenerate Afghans,without NATO the Taliban will walk in.

                I cant see Afghan forces ever being up to the job or their corrupt leaders.
                Actually it was a a major issue in Mullah Omar mobilising support for the taliban in 1994. The story is that two warlords were argunig over whih one of them would sodomise a young boy, and ended up fighting over it, Mullah Omar objected, freed the boy and founded the taliban. Urban myth in reality, but demonstrates that warlords and their supporters grooming young boys and shagging them doesn't go down with the locals.
                Last edited by paul g; 15 January 2011, 00:10.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by paul g View Post
                  Actually it was a a major issue in Mullah Omar mobilising support for the taliban in 1994. Warlords and their supporters grooming young men doesn't go down with the locals, does it.
                  Did not the prophet also encourage, and participate in such behaviour?


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                    Did not the prophet also encourage, and participate in such behaviour?
                    Nope, in fact the koran is pretty much on the same side as the bible when it comes to homosexuality.

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                    • #11
                      http://www.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=h...ed=0CBgQ9QEwAg

                      Long hair, khol rimmed eyes and not a disco in sight.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paul g View Post
                        Nope, in fact the koran is pretty much on the same side as the bible when it comes to homosexuality.
                        Who said anything about homosexuality?


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                          Who said anything about homosexuality?
                          mea culpa.

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                          • #14
                            So on one side you have a highly motivated Taliban on the other a bunch of degenerate Afghans,without NATO the Taliban will walk in.
                            The Taliban are predominantly Pashtun as were most of the people studied. This is also a practice within the Taliban. Paul G's answer was "nail on head" for me.
                            There may be only one time in your life when your country will call upon you and you will be the only one who can do the nasty job that has to be done -- do it or forever after there will be the taste of ashes in your mouth.

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                            • #15
                              Just be extra careful on a thursday, local custum known as Man Thursday .....say no more.

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