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  • #16
    Well they weren't there on holidays.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jungle View Post
      Illegal according to who ?
      Invasion (although is this invasion or a raid?) is an act of war. Starting (not responding to one that someone else started) a war is a war crime.
      Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

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      • #18
        Would the UK's position be different if it had recognised the Interim Transitional National Council (like France) before sending soldiers into Libya?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Victor View Post
          Invasion (although is this invasion or a raid?) is an act of war. Starting (not responding to one that someone else started) a war is a war crime.
          This is not true under international law.
          "Everyone's for a free Tibet, but no one's for freeing Tibet." -Mark Steyn. What an IMO-centric quote, eh?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by faughanballagh View Post
            This is not true under international law.
            Imagine if 300 Libiyan Special Forces were dropped into England/USA/France

            would that be an illegal act.
            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
            Are full of passionate intensity.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
              Imagine if 300 Libiyan Special Forces were dropped into England/USA/France

              would that be an illegal act.

              But that would be different HH, because they would be towelhead terrorists, whereas our boys are true heroes!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by faughanballagh View Post
                This is not true under international law.
                International law only matters if the parties involved subscribed to it. Otherwise it dont mean a thing. You put your troops forcibly in anyother country that is a casus belli in any mans book.
                But there's no danger
                It's a professional career
                Though it could be arranged
                With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
                If you're out of luck you're out of work
                We could send you to johannesburg.

                (Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Come-quickly View Post
                  And that refugees cause cancer?
                  Nah- that was the Daily Express

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by turbocalves View Post
                    International law only matters if the parties involved subscribed to it. Otherwise it dont mean a thing. You put your troops forcibly in anyother country that is a casus belli in any mans book.
                    Up to last month Libya was accepted as a law abiding member of the world, with a popular, if oddball head of state.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                      Imagine if 300 Libiyan Special Forces were dropped into England/USA/France
                      they wouldn't last long, except in Bradford perhaps
                      RGJ

                      ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                      The Rifles

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                        Up to last month Libya was accepted as a law abiding member of the world, with a popular, if oddball head of state.
                        So much for Tony Blair's "new relationship": http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3566545.stm

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                        • #27
                          Britain's been full of muslin special forces/terrorist/insurgents/dole scroungers for years

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by sofa View Post
                            Britain's been full of muslin special forces/terrorist/insurgents/dole scroungers for years
                            Damn Muslins with their exceptionally light cloth...


                            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                              Up to last month Libya was accepted as a law abiding member of the world, with a popular, if oddball head of state.
                              Easy come, Easy go.......
                              But there's no danger
                              It's a professional career
                              Though it could be arranged
                              With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
                              If you're out of luck you're out of work
                              We could send you to johannesburg.

                              (Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)

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                              • #30
                                Yeah, Muammar Gaddafi is a real nice guy:

                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya

                                On 1 September 1969, a small group of military officers led by then 27-year-old army officer Muammar Gaddafi staged a coup d'état against King Idris, launching the Libyan Revolution. Gaddafi was, and is to this day, referred to as the "Brother Leader and Guide of the Revolution" in government statements and the official Libyan press.

                                On Prophet Muhammad's birthday in 1973, Muammar Gaddafi delivered his famous "Five-Point Address". The five main points of his address being:

                                - Suspension of all existing laws and implementation of Sharia
                                - Purging the country of the "politically sick"
                                - Creation of a "people's militia" to "protect the revolution"
                                - Administrative revolution
                                - Cultural revolution
                                Muammar Gaddafi set up an extensive surveillance system. Reportedly 10 to 20 percent of Libyans work in surveillance for the Revolutionary committees. The surveillance takes place in government, in factories, and in the education sector.

                                Muammar Gaddafi executed dissidents publicly and the executions were often rebroadcast on state television channels.

                                Muammar Gaddafi employed his network of diplomats and recruits to assassinate dozens of critical refugees around the world. Amnesty International listed at least 25 assassinations between 1980 and 1987.

                                In 1977, Libya officially became the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. Later that same year, Gaddafi ordered an artillery strike on Egypt in retaliation against Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's intent to sign a peace treaty with Israel. Sadat's forces triumphed easily in a four-day border war that came to be known as the Libyan-Egyptian War, leaving over 400 Libyans dead and much of Gaddafi's armored divisions in ruins.

                                February 1977, Libya begins supplying Goukouni Oueddei and the People's Armed Forces (FAP) with substantial amounts of military supplies. The Chadian–Libyan conflict began in earnest when Gaddafi's long-held support of rebel forces in northern Chad escalated into a Libyan military invasion of its southern neighbor.

                                Hundreds of Libyans lost their lives in the war against Tanzania, when Gaddafi tried to save his friend Idi Amin. Gaddafi financed various other groups from anti-nuclear movements to Australian trade unions.

                                Once a breadbasket of ancient world, the eastern parts of the country become impoverished under Gaddafi's economic theories.

                                Much of the country’s income from oil, which soared in the 1970s, was spent on arms purchases and on sponsoring dozens of paramilitaries and terrorist groups around the world. An airstrike failed to kill Gaddafi in 1986. Libya was finally put under international sanctions after bombing of a commercial flight killed hundreds of travelers.
                                His friend Idi Amin ?? He may have slowed down in recent times, but the real Gaddafi has reappeared after being challenged by the Council.

                                I wish the Rebels the very best, hopefully they can turn Libya into a Democracy. I hope all the dictatorships will collapse; never in history (at least in that of the modern Democracies) have two democracies gone to war against each other. Democracy is the best hope for peace.

                                Some of the members on this site should put aside their anti-British, anti-US, anti-West feelings and support the rebels trying to turn a dictatorship into a Democracy, and the coalition Forces helping them.
                                "On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.

                                Never give up!!"

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