New Zealand Defence Force

[na grohmiti]

and 1 MRV?

Not sure if the original plan to replace that with 2 LPDs is still in the pipeline. Time will tell.

[ias]

So, the question is, could 4or 5 Arrowheads replace 2 OPV, 2 ANZACs and 2 IPVs?

and 1 MRV?

[na grohmiti]

Logistics savings but possibly way to go

remember we got 2 of their IPVs because they had too many IPVs and not enough OPVs

So, the question is, could 4or 5 Arrowheads replace 2 OPV, 2 ANZACs and 2 IPVs?

[DeV]

Has the potential of reducing hulls in the water though.

Logistics savings but possibly way to go

remember we got 2 of their IPVs because they had too many IPVs and not enough OPVs

[na grohmiti]

And given Australia is getting the Hunter class (Aussie spec’ed Type 26)…although they are about A$ 2 billion each

Reading what little is available online of this latest plan, it appears NZ are looking for a one size fits all approach to replace the ANZACs, the OPVs and the remaining IPVs.
Could this point towards the Arrowhead140? Do a frigate job when necessary, but swap out modules when you want to crack down on fishies or do HADR in the Pacific islands?
Plan was each would cost no more than £250m before GFE.
Has the potential of reducing hulls in the water though.

[DeV]

and a decision needs to be made on the ANZACS within the next decade either way.

And given Australia is getting the Hunter class (Aussie spec’ed Type 26)…although they are about A$ 2 billion each

[Sparky42]

Can't understand why this was never on our shopping list.

The Price Tag? The Supports needed? The fact that we haven't even speced our 295's for ASW?

[na grohmiti]

I would say they'd keep the sealift capacity. Maybe mix the frigatey stuff into the patrol vessel fleet. Just from a completely unqualified observor, that makes the most sense to me

The plan a few years back was pair Canterbury with a proper LPD, and then replace with a second one. A third OPV was also in the picture until recently, more capable than the existing 2 (both currently in what we might call "Operational reserve"), and a decision needs to be made on the ANZACS within the next decade either way. Yes both have received extensive modifications, but a long term plan is necessary either way. In any event the 2030s will see both the OPV and Frigates end of service.

[Jaque'ammer]

New Zealand thinking big about refreshing their fleet:
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...f-naval-fleet/
Wonder what options/mixture might be put forward

I would say they'd keep the sealift capacity. Maybe mix the frigatey stuff into the patrol vessel fleet. Just from a completely unqualified observor, that makes the most sense to me

[na grohmiti]

Take in the views and get up to speed on the specifications and capabilities of the Royal New Zealand Air Force's @Boeing P-8A Poseidon fleet.

Can't understand why this was never on our shopping list.

[Sparky42]

New Zealand thinking big about refreshing their fleet:
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...f-naval-fleet/
Wonder what options/mixture might be put forward

[na grohmiti]

And your reply shows an unrealistic understanding of how Argentine SF would conduct a reconnaissance operation on the Islands...I'm being tongue in cheek...so please take this with the humour intended...maybe I should ping Commander British Forces South Atlantic and tell him his J2 Team have gotten it completely wrong...as some guy on IMO clearly knows better!!

If Argentina were successful in reclaiming sovereignty over the Falklands, be that by diplomacy or by force, the Chinese would be right in there seeking to exploit the EEZ for their benefit. They're investing in and laying the foundations for closer cooperation with Argentina even as we speak;

China, Argentina agree to jointly promote 'belt and road' initiative | Reuters

We've gone away off topic, and I'll leave this here, but all it may take, a few years down the line, is for the UK Armed Forces to be over-committed in a war elsewhere, a re-equipped Argentine Armed Forces and an Argentine Government with the will to go for it, and we could very easily have a re-run of 1982, a war which could have easily have been lost by the UK. Hence preventative diplomacy today.

And my own footnote would be, the signal to the Junta that it was OK to retake "Las Malvinas" was a British Government downgrading the naval presence in the South Atlantic and reducing its military capability.
So tell me that will never happen again.

[spider]

You seem to have missed my point about Argentine secret squirrels turning up on East Falkland. Its not a place you can sneak about on in the hopes of monitoring activity at Mt Pleasant. Locals would have anyone not native copped in seconds, not to mention the obvious arrival of a boat/plane load of men of military age lacking the ability to say the word "Johnny". Indeed your reply shows just how unrealistic the fears are.
As for chinese fishymen, getting slightly back to the topic, they have been creating havoc all over the world with their giant fleets, and they have no care for EEZ of anyone, or even to use an EEZ as some sort of Proxy. Its one of the main reasons Australia and NZ have decided they need more larger OPVs to patrol their EEZ.

Now, Thread split time anyone? Because the South Atlantic is a long long way from the Southern Ocean.

And your reply shows an unrealistic understanding of how Argentine SF would conduct a reconnaissance operation on the Islands...I'm being tongue in cheek...so please take this with the humour intended...maybe I should ping Commander British Forces South Atlantic and tell him his J2 Team have gotten it completely wrong...as some guy on IMO clearly knows better!!

If Argentina were successful in reclaiming sovereignty over the Falklands, be that by diplomacy or by force, the Chinese would be right in there seeking to exploit the EEZ for their benefit. They're investing in and laying the foundations for closer cooperation with Argentina even as we speak;

China, Argentina agree to jointly promote 'belt and road' initiative | Reuters

We've gone away off topic, and I'll leave this here, but all it may take, a few years down the line, is for the UK Armed Forces to be over-committed in a war elsewhere, a re-equipped Argentine Armed Forces and an Argentine Government with the will to go for it, and we could very easily have a re-run of 1982, a war which could have easily have been lost by the UK. Hence preventative diplomacy today.

[na grohmiti]

For some reason I can't get the quote function to work, but in response to #405, that Brazil and Chile are the centre of power in South America, I'm going to disagree. Brazil yes, they always have been, but Argentina's GDP is ranked way ahead of Chile's in 2023. Argentina still wield significant power in the region, and at risk of repeating myself their history of political instability means that the UK government need to protect their interests in the South Atlantic from a country which is agitating against those interests. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that in a few years down the line, a hard-line Argentine government may attack the Falkland Islands again. That the UN have affirmed UK sovereignty over the islands wouldn't make a button of difference...see what's happening in Ukraine...a country illegally invaded by a member of the UN Security Council.

What if Argentine SF landed on the Islands...I'm not SF... but I guess they would conduct reconnaissance in depth, seek to understand the laydown of UK military assets, assess them for future strike / deny operations, that type of thing. Pretty standard stuff.

I'm quite familiar with the definition of an EEZ thanks, and I'm sure that the Chinese would love nothing more than to use the Argentines as a proxy to get access to the Falkland Islands EEZ.

You seem to have missed my point about Argentine secret squirrels turning up on East Falkland. Its not a place you can sneak about on in the hopes of monitoring activity at Mt Pleasant. Locals would have anyone not native copped in seconds, not to mention the obvious arrival of a boat/plane load of men of military age lacking the ability to say the word "Johnny". Indeed your reply shows just how unrealistic the fears are.
As for chinese fishymen, getting slightly back to the topic, they have been creating havoc all over the world with their giant fleets, and they have no care for EEZ of anyone, or even to use an EEZ as some sort of Proxy. Its one of the main reasons Australia and NZ have decided they need more larger OPVs to patrol their EEZ.

Now, Thread split time anyone? Because the South Atlantic is a long long way from the Southern Ocean.

[spider]

For some reason I can't get the quote function to work, but in response to #405, that Brazil and Chile are the centre of power in South America, I'm going to disagree. Brazil yes, they always have been, but Argentina's GDP is ranked way ahead of Chile's in 2023. Argentina still wield significant power in the region, and at risk of repeating myself their history of political instability means that the UK government need to protect their interests in the South Atlantic from a country which is agitating against those interests. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that in a few years down the line, a hard-line Argentine government may attack the Falkland Islands again. That the UN have affirmed UK sovereignty over the islands wouldn't make a button of difference...see what's happening in Ukraine...a country illegally invaded by a member of the UN Security Council.

What if Argentine SF landed on the Islands...I'm not SF... but I guess they would conduct reconnaissance in depth, seek to understand the laydown of UK military assets, assess them for future strike / deny operations, that type of thing. Pretty standard stuff.

I'm quite familiar with the definition of an EEZ thanks, and I'm sure that the Chinese would love nothing more than to use the Argentines as a proxy to get access to the Falkland Islands EEZ.