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  • #61
    Interesting that Leonardo would move the entire production line to Yeovil if their product is selected. Thats one hell of an offset. Have to consider it advantagious to us as we continue to use the 139.
    Not sure LM are in the running at all if they offer the 1980s designed Blackhawk. They seem to have missed the purpose of the project.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Tempest View Post
      Shortlist for medium helicopter programme announced:

      https://breakingdefense.com/2022/11/...pter-contract/
      What was ruled out ?

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      • #63
        Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
        Interesting that Leonardo would move the entire production line to Yeovil if their product is selected. Thats one hell of an offset. Have to consider it advantagious to us as we continue to use the 139.
        Not sure LM are in the running at all if they offer the 1980s designed Blackhawk. They seem to have missed the purpose of the project.
        Blackhawk is well proven and has a large number in use worldwide

        if the AW149 is selected it would make a lot of sense for use to go that direction but then Blackhawks would be good

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        • #64
          Originally posted by DeV View Post

          Blackhawk is well proven and has a large number in use worldwide

          if the AW149 is selected it would make a lot of sense for use to go that direction but then Blackhawks would be good
          Not saying it isn't, but they are looking for a type that may still be in service in the 2060s. Puma entered service with the British army in 1968. First flew in 1965. Blackhawk first flew in 1979. If the F35 winning competitions around the world is anything to go by, they'll pick the best for future proofing..
          Airbus and Leonardo are basically offering the same aircraft, with minor differences.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • #65
            The other issue to consider is that even Wallace has moved to calling the 3% “aspirational” given the likely economic situation and cuts over the next few years, I doubt the U.K. will get to the 2.5% by 2026, even just dealing with inflation and foreign exchange rates is going to cause a hit to the budget.

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            • #66
              The A model Blackhawk may have entered service in 1979, but the only similarity it has with the latest M model is the basic airframe. The UH-60 was conceived, with out civilian design compromise, from the outset to be combat support workhorse in a high intensity battlefield environment, meaning that it had to be robustly built, survivable, reliable, functional for the purpose and have forward base supportability when deployed. Which is why the NH-90 is not in the running and being replaced by the very chopper it was going to replace. Even the venerable Blackhawk itself, which was to replace the UH-1 Iroquois never quite did as here is the new medium utility helicopter for the JGSDF the Subaru UH-2. Its Yankee granddaddy first flew in 1956.

              https://www.subaru.co.jp/news-en/2022_07_08_130452/

              But of course the Poms as usual will select their next platform whatever it is based on what politically marginal electorate they can get the work for rather than what actually will work best in the very reason why they are buying the capability, then pay through the nose and cut envisaged numbers. Even if they reached 3% of GDP Defence spend, which they won't, they will still somehow mismanage it to get less capability output than other countries spending 2%.

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              • #67
                The old "not built here" mentality that has hindered UK defence buying since the end of WW2.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                  The old "not built here" mentality that has hindered UK defence buying since the end of WW2.
                  To be fair, they aren’t the only nation with military industries that have the same issue.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post

                    To be fair, they aren’t the only nation with military industries that have the same issue.
                    Problem is, they no longer have the competing military industries.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

                      Problem is, they no longer have the competing military industries.
                      They are increasingly finding it difficult to have a competing military force due to trying to push orders to what’s left of U.K. military industry

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                      • #71
                        Not surprising Sunak is a bit evasive on the 3% target;
                        https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sun...tment-12747440
                        But the order for the second batch of Type 26s has been announced.

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