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    Many Defence Forces around the world, particularly those in the Commonwealth countries were founded on the British Military System and to this day still retain many of the British Traditions, such as Rank structure, Regimental and Corp structure, Ceremonial Drill and method of Saluting.

    Retained also was the Messing system such as the Sergeants' Mess and the Officers' Mess.

    I have a basic knowledge of Ireland's military history and I am aware of the organisational structure of the Irish Defence Force.

    However, I do have some unanswered questions and would be grateful for a response.

    Did Ireland adopt any British Military Traditions, for example,

    Do you render a salute the British way or say the American way?

    Is your ceremonial foot drill the same as the British?

    Do you have a Sergeants' Mess and an Officers' Mess and do you hold Dining In Nights?

    Do you have an RSM and if not, what is the equivalent?

    I notice your Military Police have red caps which is the same as the British Royal Military Police.

    Does the other two Branches have their own Service Police and if so, what type of uniform distinguishes them from the other trades.

    Do you have the opportunity to do Exchange Duties or Training Courses with any other country and if so, what countries?

    Thanks.

  • #2
    in answer to your questions,
    1) neither though our saltute most closely resembles the american way
    2) again it is similiar to the british except for a different stop and other small difference and of course it is done through irish
    3)we surely do, dining in nights? im not sure what your referring to
    4) yes we have RSM for regiments and BSM(battalion sgt major) for battalions
    5) i belive the PA's are for the df as a whole.
    6) sort of, the ARW do as do some NCOs and officers attend foreign career courses, usualy in the UK i believe

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    • #3
      foreign career courses are open to all the Df.. but are very hard to get..

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      • #4
        Depends on what arm of the DF too. Air Corps and Naval service have more opportunities for the ordinary Seaman or Airman to go on overseas courses than the average army Private.


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • #5
          Do you have a Sergeants' Mess and an Officers' Mess and do you hold Dining In Nights?
          Permanent barracks normally have a canteen/mess (for privates), a NCOs Mess and an Officers Mess.

          Do you have an RSM and if not, what is the equivalent?
          Rank structure after Sergeant is as follows:
          Company Quartermaster Sergeant
          Company Sergeant
          Battalion (or Regimental in the case of AC & Artillery Corps)Quartermaster Sergeant
          Battalion (or Regimential in the case of AC & Artillery Corps) Sergeant Major


          Does the other two Branches have their own Service Police and if so, what type of uniform distinguishes them from the other trades.
          Untill recently no, in the last year of so the NS & AC have got they own MPs, AC MPs wear red beret, NS MPs have a red band on their cap.

          Do you have the opportunity to do Exchange Duties or Training Courses with any other country and if so, what countries?Exchange duties are very rare. Their are often courses run specifically for foreign forces (normally by UN school). Then you have PfP courses. On the Command & Staff courses I think there is places reserved for US, German and French officers, and sometimes Irish officers go on their courses.

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          • #6
            do you hold Dining In Nights?
            It would be very rare for us to hold a formal dinner

            except for the likes of Christmas dinner etc ( I am of course speaking only for my Unit

            others may have different versions)

            but the Dining in traditions that our next door neighbours have is sadly a tradition that

            didnt carry over
            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
            Are full of passionate intensity.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DeV View Post
              Do you have a Sergeants' Mess and an Officers' Mess and do you hold Dining In Nights?
              Permanent barracks normally have a canteen/mess (for privates), a NCOs Mess and an Officers Mess.
              The Naval service has a slight Variation to this, with Officers having the Wardroom, PO and up having the Senior Rates mess, and below having the Ratings mess.
              Originally posted by DeV View Post
              Do you have an RSM and if not, what is the equivalent?
              Rank structure after Sergeant is as follows:
              Company Quartermaster Sergeant
              Company Sergeant
              Battalion (or Regimental in the case of AC & Artillery Corps)Quartermaster Sergeant
              Battalion (or Regimential in the case of AC & Artillery Corps) Sergeant Major
              Cavalry have a Squadron Quartermaster Sgt and Sqadron Sgt in place of the CQMS and CS.


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                Cavalry have a Squadron Quartermaster Sgt and Sqadron Sgt in place of the CQMS and CS.
                So in the cav a CS is a SS............
                Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                • #9
                  No.

                  An ss is a recruit, or junior private(Saighdúr Singhil). In the Cav the CS is a S/Sgt.


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
                    So in the cav a CS is a SS............

                    SS is the term for a Private
                    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                    Are full of passionate intensity.

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                    • #11
                      aww shucks
                      Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                      • #12
                        Saighduir Single
                        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                        Are full of passionate intensity.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                          Saighduir Single

                          http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...38&postcount=9


                          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                            No.

                            An ss is a recruit, or junior private(Saighdúr Singhil). In the Cav the CS is a S/Sgt.

                            thanks for that GF

                            but without being pedantic and as far asi know

                            Siaghduir Singhil is a private

                            there is no rank of juniior private either, its simply 2 star pte or 3 star private
                            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                            Are full of passionate intensity.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by IrishCop View Post
                              Do you have the opportunity to do Exchange Duties or Training Courses with any other country and if so, what countries?
                              Came across this:

                              Attending United States Military Academies

                              In order to for Irish personnel to attend US Military academies, personnel must meet all pre-requisites and be nominated by the coinciding Irish service. (i.e. the Irish Navy can nominate personnel to attend the US Naval Academy.) Please contact the Irish service of your choice to request a nomination. For more information about pre-requisites or a particular Military Academy, click here to go to the USDAO Link page.
                              from http://dublin.usembassy.gov/ireland/us_military.html
                              Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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