Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Panorma Mon 27 aug

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Panorma Mon 27 aug

    Panorama are doing a very interesting programme

    all about re enactors and their (alledged) links and sympaties to the Nazi's and the SS

    co incidentally the Telegraph on Saturday 25 August also ran a feature on another

    group of lads who get their jollies out of dressing up as Nazi's

    this group choose not a normal run of the mill German Army to recreate

    but a hardcore SS Unit-

    where have I heard this before

    the Sunday Times today 26 August also ran an article concerning these people.

    An interesting thing was the groups claimed they helped out in promoting greater

    understanding by appearing in films as extras such as Saving Pte Ryan and also

    appearing in schools and such

    no film or tv people could be found that ever used them- no school admitted to using them.


    On a previous thread on this very issue - I was informed of the very same stuff

    and when I scoffed I was threatened etc.

    My views on this group are well known

    i feel sorry for the genuine re enactors and military vechicle enthuasist

    who worked hard and have a genuine interest, that they will now be lumped in

    with what can be perceived as Nazi sympathisers


    I pose a simple question

    Should IMO which is a site intrinsically linked to the Irish Defence Forces

    advertise or support in ANY way

    ANY show that has in attendance ANY UNIT from any Army/ organisation etc

    that has been convicted of a war crime.

    to simplfly this- should we support shows that have SS Units- Khemer Rouge- the RPF

    the murdering bastards in Crotatia, Serbia, Bosnia etc etc

    As I am obviously totally against any idiots that glorify murdering bastards

    I wont vote in this poll
    28
    Yes
    60.71%
    17
    No
    39.29%
    11

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by hedgehog; 26 August 2007, 21:24.
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

  • #2
    yes, but...

    I agree, but where do you draw the line?

    RAF Bomber Command in WWII, deliberately bombing civilians to 'break the will' of the German population? US Army in Vietnam and Iraq? French Army in Algeria?.........

    Comment


    • #3
      No way! They're dressing up as bunch of murdering thugs, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Why do the reenactors have to dress up as the mass murders? Whats wrong with a perfectly decent Wehrmacht unit?
      Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

      Comment


      • #4
        Is Ballyseedy considered a war crime? What about the Vikings pillaging throughout northern europe, Is it an appropriate nickname for an irish army unit?


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
          No way! They're dressing up as bunch of murdering thugs, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Why do the reenactors have to dress up as the mass murders?
          Because they choose to. Dressing up as a murdering thug isn't the same thing as being a murdering thug.

          Originally posted by The real Jack View Post
          Whats wrong with a perfectly decent Wehrmacht unit?
          There were no perfectly decent Wehrmacht units. The Wehrmacht was as much a part of the Nazi war machine as the SS.
          sigpic
          Say NO to violence against Women

          Originally posted by hedgehog
          My favourite moment was when the
          Originally posted by hedgehog
          red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
            Is Ballyseedy considered a war crime? What about the Vikings pillaging throughout northern europe, Is it an appropriate nickname for an irish army unit?
            Jeez

            thats why I put this little bit in

            ANY show that has in attendance ANY UNIT from any Army/ organisation etc

            that has been convicted of a war crime. to simplfly this- should we support shows that have SS Units- Khemer Rouge- the RPF

            the murdering bastards in Crotatia, Serbia, Bosnia etc etc
            Please note the name of the thread

            I didnt say anything about Ballyseedy and the bullshite about the vikings

            I take it your simply trying to get this thread off topic

            mate I feel I should warn you here, I got 2 points for doing the very same thing

            so out of comradeship- be wary of pulling this off topic, I would

            hate the mods to have to slap you



            lets have reasoned debate on the point at hand
            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
            Are full of passionate intensity.

            Comment


            • #7
              What about guys dressing as Romans or members of the British Forces etc.... etc..., they have also committed war crimes historically.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by cooley View Post
                What about guys dressing as Romans or members of the British Forces etc.... etc..., they have also committed war crimes historically.
                great

                go and start your own thread

                mine is focusing on those who were actually mentioned in an international court

                what court ever condemed the romans
                or the brits
                Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                Are full of passionate intensity.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                  what court ever condemed the romans
                  or the brits
                  Well the Brits were convicted over this:
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Demetrius

                  Granted, there were no lads there in 58 pattern with SLRs, but there was an Alvis Saracen (as used extensively in NI) and various other bits of British Army kit which had been used in the north.

                  (And no, before anyone starts, I'm in no way saying that the people there wearing British uniform are a bunch of murderers)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    wtf

                    i got points and moderated last week for bringing a similar topic of thread

                    now 2 mods are railroading this

                    stand down gentlemen
                    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                    Are full of passionate intensity.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by hedgehog View Post

                      mine is focusing on those who were actually mentioned in an international court
                      Admiral Karl Dönitz was sentenced to 10 years in prison by the Nuremburg trials for waging unrestricted submarine warfare, yet the very same orders were given by the British Admiralty and US PAc fleet cmdr Nimitz, even though this fact was outlined in court, they were never held accountable.


                      An interesting thing was the groups claimed they helped out in promoting greater
                      understanding by appearing in films as extras such as Saving Pte Ryan and also
                      appearing in schools and such no film or tv people could be found that ever used them- no school admitted to using them.
                      I suggest they can be found at Dreamworks Studios, RTE studios, The Olympia etc etc
                      "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ZULU View Post
                        Admiral Karl Dönitz was sentenced to 10 years in prison by the Nuremburg trials for waging unrestricted submarine warfare, yet the very same orders were given by the British Admiralty and US PAc fleet cmdr Nimitz, even though this fact was outlined in court, they were never held accountable.




                        I suggest they can be found at Dreamworks Studios, RTE studios, The Olympia etc etc
                        do you know they worked there or are you assuming

                        if you know - how do you know-

                        if your assuming

                        thanks but dont
                        Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                        Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                        The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                        The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                        The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                        Are full of passionate intensity.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          IRELANDS NAZIS
                          film made for Irish TV and Uk viewing shown on RTE 1 in two episodes.These two short films were produced by Tile Films, Ireland and directed by Keith Farrell.

                          "Who by Fire" at the olympia.
                          Its a play about love, survival and hope in Auschwitz with lyrics and music by Leonard Cohen

                          Saving Private Ryan
                          20mm canon used by German forces during battle scene at bridge was from members of german re-enactment group
                          "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            thanks well done

                            but you really didnt give any source of reference

                            irregardless of that

                            is there not a fricking mod around here to force people to stay on topic
                            Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                            Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                            The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                            The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                            The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                            Are full of passionate intensity.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                              thanks well done

                              but you really didnt give any source of reference
                              Irelands Nazi's

                              Tile Films Ltd.

                              13 Windsor Place
                              Dublin 2
                              Ireland

                              Tel: +353 (0)1 611 4646
                              Fax: +353 (0)1 661 4647

                              Email: info@tilefilms.ie


                              The Irish Times 19th June 2007 Page 3
                              Picture of Battle Group South members on motorcycles and Kubbelwagons. They were used in the opening of "Who by Fire" at the olympia.
                              "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X