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    A new memorial being unveiled today comemorates 15, 500 Servicemen and women killed on active service or in training since the end of the Second World War. It's located in Alrewas, Staffordshire and was designed by a foreign sounding chap named Liam O’Connor. I wonder how many Irish people are on the memorial.

    Some photos below.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/tem...=1192180242421
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    Not v impressive...why are there figures of a woman and child and a "mourning man"? Seems way too "touch-feely", not very martial. Would also query why the names of personnel who died in training accidents are on there. I'd assume eventually they'll have a website with a database of names which are on it.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by combatlogo View Post
      Not v impressive...why are there figures of a woman and child and a "mourning man"? Seems way too "touch-feely", not very martial. Would also query why the names of personnel who died in training accidents are on there. I'd assume eventually they'll have a website with a database of names which are on it.
      Because wives, husbands, mothers, fathers and children get left behind to do the mourning. If you get killed in training you are just as dead as if you get killed in Iraq. There is a searchable database.

      http://www.forcesmemorial.org.uk/roll-of-honour.asp

      One of the Paddy's on the memorial...


      Surname
      DOLAN
      Forenames/Initials
      Paul Anthony
      Rank
      Pte
      Service
      Army
      Service Number
      24453588
      Regiment/Corps
      RRW
      Place of Birth/Home Town
      Dublin, Ireland
      Date of Birth
      22 June 1959
      Age
      18
      Date of Death
      24 April 1978
      Cemetery Name
      Holmpatrick Cemetery
      Grave Number
      family
      Included on Armed Forces Memorial
      Yes
      Included on Roll of Honour
      Yes



      Below a Vietnam memorial with women in it. Shocking.

      Last edited by Groundhog; 12 October 2007, 15:16.
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      • #4
        combatlogo...this is the centerpiece of the ANZAC memorial in Sydney...it depicts a fallen soldier borne on his shield by his mourning mother, sister and wife....do you think its 'suitably martial' or 'not v. impressive'?

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        • #5
          [QUOTE=Groundhog;181824]

          A new memorial being unveiled today comemorates 15, 500 Servicemen and women killed on active service or in training since the end of the Second World War[QUOTE]

          Except those who died at the Deepcut Depot.
          Last edited by WES; 12 October 2007, 16:08.
          The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity.
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          • #6
            Surname
            FLYNN
            Forenames/Initials
            John
            Rank
            A/Cpl
            Service
            Royal Air Force
            Service Number
            E4194246
            Station
            RAF Coltishall
            Place of Birth/Home Town
            Mallow, Co. Cork
            Date of Birth
            22 October 1933
            Age
            37
            Date of Death
            09 December 1970
            Cemetery Name
            Mallow Cemetery
            Cemetery Address
            Co. Cork
            Eire

            Included on Armed Forces Memorial
            No
            Included on Roll of Honour
            Yes


            Surname
            FLYNN
            Forenames/Initials
            Patrick
            Rank
            WO
            Service
            Royal Air Force
            Service Number
            512813
            Station
            RAF Ismailia
            Place of Birth/Home Town
            Ballindoney, Wexford
            Date of Birth
            18 March 1911
            Age
            41
            Date of Death
            11 November 1952
            Cemetery Name
            Moascar Garrison Cemetery
            Cemetery Address
            Ismailia
            Egypt

            Grave Section
            4
            Grave Row
            Q
            Grave Number
            19
            Included on Armed Forces Memorial
            Yes
            Included on Roll of Honour
            Yes



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            My favourite moment was when the
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            • #7
              Lord Louis Mountbatten is on the memorial. Born 25 June 1900, died 27 August 1979. I doubt if he was still serving at the age of 79.
              The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity.
              (George Bernard Shaw, Playwright, 1856 - 1950)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by WES View Post
                Lord Louis Mountbatten is on the memorial. Born 25 June 1900, died 27 August 1979. I doubt if he was still serving at the age of 79.
                wasnt he an Admiral

                and like field marshall they never retire


                and wow

                well done the brits, it looks the dogs bollix

                it kind of puts our thing to shame
                Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
                Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
                The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
                The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                Are full of passionate intensity.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                  wasnt he an Admiral
                  He was. He was also Colonel of the Life Guards and Colonel Commandant of the Royal Marines.
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                  Originally posted by hedgehog
                  My favourite moment was when the
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                  red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                  • #10
                    Nearly 16000 names on it and what about this. There's room for a further 15000 names!!
                    The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity.
                    (George Bernard Shaw, Playwright, 1856 - 1950)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by WES View Post
                      Nearly 16000 names on it and what about this. There's room for a further 15000 names!!
                      At the rate that the British Army is shrinking (aka being ripped apart by politicians), it'll have been disbanded before it even gets near filling that wall.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by WES View Post
                        Nearly 16000 names on it and what about this. There's room for a further 15000 names!!
                        It's good until about 2050 so.

                        Originally posted by Barry View Post
                        At the rate that the British Army is shrinking (aka being ripped apart by politicians), it'll have been disbanded before it even gets near filling that wall.
                        Armies shrink and grow the whole time.
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                        Originally posted by hedgehog
                        My favourite moment was when the
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
                          Because wives, husbands, mothers, fathers and children get left behind to do the mourning. If you get killed in training you are just as dead as if you get killed in Iraq. There is a searchable database.

                          http://www.forcesmemorial.org.uk/roll-of-honour.asp

                          One of the Paddy's on the memorial...


                          Surname
                          DOLAN
                          Forenames/Initials
                          Paul Anthony
                          Rank
                          Pte
                          Service
                          Army
                          Service Number
                          24453588
                          Regiment/Corps
                          RRW
                          Place of Birth/Home Town
                          Dublin, Ireland
                          Date of Birth
                          22 June 1959
                          Age
                          18
                          Date of Death
                          24 April 1978
                          Cemetery Name
                          Holmpatrick Cemetery
                          Grave Number
                          family
                          Included on Armed Forces Memorial
                          Yes
                          Included on Roll of Honour
                          Yes



                          Below a Vietnam memorial with women in it. Shocking.

                          Yes, you are still as dead, but there's a difference between dying in combat and dying in a vehicle accident -award criteria for the purple heart illustrate this.

                          Your point re the Vietnam memorial is disengenuous, it's a memorial specifically for nurses who served in Vietnam. The main Vietnam memorial is the wall and 3 statues of Vietnam era grunts. Care to speculate on what a child is doing in it?
                          "Hello, Good Evening and Bollocks..."

                          Roger Mellie

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by combatlogo View Post
                            Yes, you are still as dead, but there's a difference between dying in combat and dying in a vehicle accident -award criteria for the purple heart illustrate this.
                            The Brits don't award Purple Hearts.

                            So they decided to open the memorial to all men and women who died in service. It's not really a novel departure. Every name on a WW2 memorial for instance is not a combat death.

                            Originally posted by combatlogo View Post
                            Care to speculate on what a child is doing in it?
                            I already have. The child represents the children of the dead service people. Memorials are designed for the living, not for the dead. They are intended as places that the relatives of the dead may come and visit them since many of their graves are far from home or non-existent.
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                            Originally posted by hedgehog
                            My favourite moment was when the
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                            red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                            • #15
                              Hi all
                              Combatlogo, if a guy on active duty in or out of a combat zone,dies because he chokes on a tough Army sausage, do you really thinks he is not worthy of decent rememberance? He is worth honouring for having served, regardless of duty, cause of death, location,etc. If they took down all the names of those who died in stupid accidents, a lot of the war memorials would look fairly thin.
                              regards
                              GttC

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