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  • #76
    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Isn't there a story about the Allouette's dayglo paint when they were delivered?
    No there is no "story" they were delivered in all silver finish and dayglow was applied later after being in service for some time. H202 had a different type of dayglow to the other three and was of a different colour (red).
    Polyurethyne Grey ( not sure of the spelling ) the first job undertaken by Aer Lingus was not introduced on the Alouettes until July 1985 and the addition of the tricolour on the fuselage was introduced Feb 1974.When it came back from Aer Lingus the boss was reversed on the fuselage side, despite clear details on the drawing office instructions.Some people on the floor in the MU seemed to ignore the application and just slapped them on anyway without checking.The instructionss as issued by the drawing office were correct, their application at the sharp end was not.
    Is the felt tipped (dayglow) pen and the Alouette meant to be a joke? Could anybody imagine Bobby Gallagher's reaction to someone approaching an Alouette with a felt tip pen ? Jeez!
    Tony K

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    • #77
      I read something along the lines of what GF and Gttc said in a book on the history of the AC.

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      • #78
        Post was edited as it may discredit the man who provided an opinion which may in fact relate to an incident at a later date and not that date mention.

        apologies
        Last edited by hptmurphy; 25 February 2013, 20:53.
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #79
          Hi Tony,

          I think Goldie was referring to the plans rather than the aircraft themselves!

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          • #80
            Regarding the paint scheme Hpt, I would say removing it would actually hurt their value. Ex IAC aircraft are fairly rare in the warbird community. The only change from the colours in which they flew here is the addition of an undersize(by special warbird dispensation from the FAA) US registration on the vertical stabilizer
            I don't doubt it , I like it , but given the DFs peculiarites around retired equipment being marked reflective of current marking styles etc. I'm suprised it was vetoed from on high.


            International Orange is indeed the colour in question. FS charts( Federal Standard) will confirm this.

            Mismatches in painting is not unique to Aircraft operated by the Air Corps nor were they trend setters among the DF in the trade. although I won't go into detail of other exemplary exmaples which have included complete ships mispainted.
            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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            • #81
              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
              Was informed by Mr Patrick Cummins Aviation historian, that all the allouettes on delivery suffered the same error, all the Celtic Bosses face the ring direction!
              Not so Paul, Paddy Cummins is a meticiluous researcher/historian and very seldom gets it wrong.
              The earliest I saw the first three Alouettes was in Easter 1964 and the markings were correct. I was present at the time of delivery of most of the Alouettes to Baldonnel, if not on the days they arrived, but within a few days after their arrival.The French always applied the correct markings.
              The pic of the two alouettes was taken in Easter 1964 (less than a year after delivery) and are correct
              The pic of Five shows the correct markings as delivered from France and the last shows when the "Border markings" were applied at Baldonnel Al 202 has the boss incorrectly applied. This careless habit of applying the boss in the incorrect direction is not a new thing and I have found some of the Miles Masters (1943-1949) finished the same sloppy way
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              • #82
                Hi all,
                Painting the Celtic boss is quite a time-consuming and difficult job so anyone reversing it either did it deliberately or was under the illusion that it must be reversed on one side of an airframe. In the Don, there was always confusion about the correct orientation of flags, roundels, stencils and other letters. At least one of the Cessnas had it wrong. This was in the days when everything on the skin was paint, unlike now when most things are decals. It wasn't only dayglo that faded, either. Some of the Cessnas and Marchettis were very weatherbeaten until they were repainted with a gloss finish during major overhauls. The Casas also shed a significant amount of their blue coats.

                regards
                GttC

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                  Hi all,
                  Painting the Celtic boss is quite a time-consuming and difficult job so anyone reversing it either did it deliberately or was under the illusion that it must be reversed on one side of an airframe. In the Don, there was always confusion about the correct orientation of flags, roundels, stencils and other letters. At least one of the Cessnas had it wrong. This was in the days when everything on the skin was paint, unlike now when most things are decals. It wasn't only dayglo that faded, either. Some of the Cessnas and Marchettis were very weatherbeaten until they were repainted with a gloss finish during major overhauls. The Casas also shed a significant amount of their blue coats.GttC
                  This is not unique to aircraft either, when the British rail steam crests, coat of arms, whatever, came out, they did 2 versions so the lion figure would always face to the front of the Locomotive[or the number 1 end on diesels/electrics] this was later deemed to be incorrect as it was a heraldic device and could not be reversed.
                  "We will hold out until our last bullet is spent. Could do with some whiskey"
                  Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                  Illegitimi non carborundum

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                  • #84
                    True. There's quite a protocol surrounding the depiction of flags and national symbols on vehicles of any description and woe betide anyone who gets it wrong. When an aircraft is being stripped of it's paint, it's common practise to photograph it thoroughly beforehand, so that official stencilling goes back on where it should be, which is why military aircraft are a pain to repaint, because of the hundreds of stencils and decals that have to go back on. Militaries and airlines keep comprehensive books of it's decals and paint schemes, to make sure that it goes back the way it should be.

                    regards
                    GttC

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                    • #85
                      Former Air Corps Spitfire 159 is for sale in Germany for £3.5 million sterling.
                      http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!spitfire-mj772/cuwc


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                      • #86
                        Gents have you seen the photo of EX IAC Vampire 186 flying couple of weeks ago:

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                        owned by1956 DEHAVILLAND DH115 VAMPIRE
                        Fixed wing multi engine
                        (2 seats / 2 engines) CB AVIATION INC
                        OGDEN, UT
                        (Co-owned) Experimental 186

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                        • #87
                          Last known photo on the interweb was dated 1981...see first post in thread. Thank you Heligun.

                          Anyone been able to trace ex IAC G-IV since it was disposed of?

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                          • #88
                            Interesting aside. CB Aviation are featured on Discovery's "Dangerous Flights".

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                            • #89
                              Former Air Corps Vampire 186, picture taken on 20 September 2015 in Nevada USA.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Jetjock View Post
                                Anyone been able to trace ex IAC G-IV since it was disposed of?
                                As I type this its flying down the east coast of Florida over the Atlantic at 43,000ft.
                                Its owned by Journey Aviation and available for charter.



                                http://www.journeyflight.com/wp-cont...yer-N297PJ.pdf
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