Comprehensive War Of Independence IRA casualty list?

[eroo]

Is there any comprehensive/accurate list of IRA dead from the War of Independence?

thanks,
eroo

[Groundhog]

Try contacting the National Graves Association. Failing them, and you probably will as they are more a propaganda wing of Sinn Féin than a proper Commemoration Asociation, you'd have to try and get county by county compilations. In Tipperary we have Tipperary's Sons and Daughters and A Biographical dictionary of Tipperary both by Martin O'Dwyer.

[Connaught Stranger]

There must be some form of a list as I attach the following from a Militaria Site were I am a member:

I have seen several pieces of research attempting to identify the system used in the numbering of named 1916 and Black and Tan medals and Adams John F is always first. The system uses the causality list from the 1916 Rising, 64 KIA and 16 executed. It is assumed that the first 80 numbered 1916 medals where issued to these 80 causalities and that an alphabetical list was drawn up numbered 1 to 80 so as Adams John F was first alphabetically it is assumed he received medal number one.

There is as you will notice a lot of assumption used when working out the system but as they say, it is as good as any.

The problem with verifying the assumed system is the restrictive amount of numbered medals researchers have access too and also the number of falsely of faked named and numbered medals that appear.

With regards a query on Pension Applications to verify numbers the following answer was posted:

I am always surprised that when these well-documented medals that do appear for sale never have a copy of the pensions application. Pension applications contain a brief description of the person's involvement in the 1916 Rising and were always well vetted and witnesses required to verify the applicant's story. It was and still is a criminal offense to falsify a pensions application, maybe that's why you don't see so many. At the moment only relatives of a deceased person who was in receipt of a war pension can have access to the pension application. - - -. -

Reply - - - - Contact Department of Defence, Pensions Administrations Section, Renmore, Galway. Ask for a copy of your Grandfather's file and wait, it can take six months or more but it will eventually arrive. If you are lucky it will contain a wealth of information, if you are unlucky little or nothing, but it is worth a look. You can also contact the Irish Army Archives Department which is located in Cathal Brugha Barracks, Rathmines, Dublin 6, but from experience I have found their attitude is 'it is their archive and members of the public should not be bothering them by requesting to look at things in it'. Good luck with the search.

Connaught Stranger

[eroo]

Try contacting the National Graves Association. Failing them, and you probably will as they are more a propaganda wing of Sinn Féin than a proper Commemoration Asociation, you'd have to try and get county by county compilations. In Tipperary we have Tipperary's Sons and Daughters and A Biographical dictionary of Tipperary both by Martin O'Dwyer.

I'll avoid the shinn's,thank you very much!
It is something that I thought would've been done already but,it appears not!

[CTU]

If their is a list of IRA dead from the war of independence I dubt it would be an accurate and comprehensive list.
If I was you I would try military archives and see what they would say.

http://www.military.ie/dfhq/archives/arch.htm

[ivanlennon]

Is there any comprehensive/accurate list of IRA dead from the War of Independence?

thanks,
eroo

Found in WHO'S WHO IN THE IRISH WAR OF INDEPENDENCE by Padraig O'Farrell,
Appendix C ("The Irish Dead"), pp. 162- 175

Ivan Lennon

[Connaught Stranger]

With regards my above post, two Gentlemen on the other Forum I belong to had applied to the Irish Military Achieves to research a list of members of the Old IRA with regards issue of medals and casualty Rolls.

Applications have been turned down flat with no explanation!!!!

Connaught Stranger.

[Connaught Stranger]

Found this online:-

Glasnevin time capsule to stay closed.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1003/capsule.html

Wednesday, 3 October 2007 22:51.

The O.P.W. has now decided not to open the 80-year-old time capsule discovered last week in the 1916 Sigerson monument in Glasnevin Cemetery.

The decision was made today just hours before it was due to be opened at a laboratory in Collins Barracks.

The capsule will be placed back in the monument, which is currently being restored.

Glasnevin capsule sent back for the future.

Tuesday, 18 December 2007.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1218/capsule.html

An 80-year-old time capsule discovered two months ago is to be placed back into the monument where it was discovered in Glasnevin Cemetery.

The capsule was not opened but archive records show that the capsule contained a parchment listing the names of all those who were executed or who lost their life during the 1916 Easter Rising and Easter Week.

The lead capsule had been discovered during restoration work on the 1916 Sigerson monument which is dedicated to the 1916 Rising.

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So there is a list!!

Connaught Stranger

[Groundhog]

The capsule was not opened but archive records show that the capsule contained a parchment listing the names of all those who were executed or who lost their life during the 1916 Easter Rising and Easter Week.

The lead capsule had been discovered during restoration work on the 1916 Sigerson monument which is dedicated to the 1916 Rising.

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So there is a list!!

Connaught Stranger

It'sa War of Independence cas list he's looking for. If you want a listof 1916 casualties they're on a plaque at Arbour Hill.

[Connaught Stranger]

It'sa War of Independence cas list he's looking for. If you want a list of 1916 casualties they're on a plaque at Arbour Hill.

Many thanks for that, but the 1916 list is still indicates that Records are kept of the participants, of events in the War of Independence, its just trying to get the Achieves to release such info, as it has been stated before, the people there seem to consider the information is theirs

Why, they are being so protective of this information is beyond me, what possible reason there is for keeping it a secret could there be. After all these people gave their lives to gain Ireland's Independence and should be honoured for that.

Connaught Stranger.

[Traumagod]

My Grandfather fought in the war of independence and the civil war but never claimed his medals or anything He passed away in 1979 so never got much of a chance to ask him about it as I was too young. Does anyone know how and where i would be able to get his medals from?? I would really like to have them because stupid cousin took my other grandad's medals and he is a big shinner so he would only have them and displayed for the wrong reasons... Any HELPFUL comments please either post here or pm me. Thanks in advance folks.

[Smiler]

List of 1916 casualties are here http://www.nli.ie/1916/1916_main.html
Read the instructions on the right of the page ;-)

[Border Bunny]

List of 1916 casualties are here http://www.nli.ie/1916/1916_main.html
Read the instructions on the right of the page ;-)

Thanks for the link Smiler.
Thats a very good site with lots of info that is hard find.