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    A chara

    Anyone have any observations/experiences re: Defence Forces participation
    (e.g., piper, volley over grave) in graveside ceremonies involving
    deceased high ranking veterans of the War of Independence?

    Decision as to military particiption is reportedly a political decision
    made at the highest level - i.e., Minister for Defence - and
    is not, I am told, a pro forma matter.

    While the oldest Volunteer only recently died, there is/are ashes
    of Volunteer/"Irregular" Commandant(s) which have not been interred.

    Mile buiochas
    ilennon@rochester.rr.com

  • #2
    Originally posted by ivanlennon View Post
    Decision as to military particiption is reportedly a political decision
    made at the highest level - i.e., Minister for Defence - and
    is not, I am told, a pro forma matter.

    While the oldest Volunteer only recently died, there is/are ashes
    of Volunteer/"Irregular" Commandant(s) which have not been interred.

    Mile buiochas
    ilennon@rochester.rr.com
    My reading of the regulations is that it is an automatic right for members of the Old IRA to receive a military funeral if requested by the family.

    However there are a number of conditions that must be met - were they actually a member of an approved organisation

    And the scary one nowadays - that the PDF/RDF actually have enough bodies on the ground to provide a firing party etc.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ivanlennon View Post
      A chara

      Anyone have any observations/experiences re: Defence Forces participation
      (e.g., piper, volley over grave) in graveside ceremonies involving
      deceased high ranking veterans of the War of Independence?

      Decision as to military particiption is reportedly a political decision
      made at the highest level - i.e., Minister for Defence - and
      is not, I am told, a pro forma matter.

      While the oldest Volunteer only recently died, there is/are ashes
      of Volunteer/"Irregular" Commandant(s) which have not been interred.

      Mile buiochas
      ilennon@rochester.rr.com


      Surely before we answer or commit anything in this regard you should explain whats

      your interest in this-
      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere***
      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
      Are full of passionate intensity.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ivanlennon View Post
        A chara

        Anyone have any observations/experiences re: Defence Forces participation
        (e.g., piper, volley over grave) in graveside ceremonies involving
        deceased high ranking veterans of the War of Independence?

        Decision as to military particiption is reportedly a political decision
        made at the highest level - i.e., Minister for Defence - and
        is not, I am told, a pro forma matter.

        While the oldest Volunteer only recently died, there is/are ashes
        of Volunteer/"Irregular" Commandant(s) which have not been interred.

        Mile buiochas
        ilennon@rochester.rr.com
        Anyone who fought in the War of Independence was entitled to a firing party only. The decision was taken by unit adjutants based on whether the deceased was in receipt of an Old IRA pension or not.

        Not tooo sure on what the line would be on relatives keeping their IRA men's ashes but in my opinion the cremation was the funeral and that's when the salute is given.
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        Say NO to violence against Women

        Originally posted by hedgehog
        My favourite moment was when the
        Originally posted by hedgehog
        red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
          Anyone who fought in the War of Independence was entitled to a firing party only. The decision was taken by unit adjutants based on whether the deceased was in receipt of an Old IRA pension or not.
          There are a few more organisations included other than the Old IRA - Cumann na mBán being one..... but not many.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Docman View Post
            There are a few more organisations included other than the Old IRA - Cumann na mBán being one..... but not many.
            Old IRA pension would be a colloquial expression. The Army Pensions Act of 1932 extended pensions to those who served in

            Oglaigh na hEireann (Irish Republican Army)

            The Irish Volunteers

            The Irish Citizen Army

            Fianna Eireann

            The Hibernian Rifles

            Cumann na mBan.












            sigpic
            Say NO to violence against Women

            Originally posted by hedgehog
            My favourite moment was when the
            Originally posted by hedgehog
            red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Groundhog View Post
              Oglaigh na hEireann (Irish Republican Army)
              As in Old IRA (pre Civil War) before anyone starts.

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              • #8
                I'm trying to make the distinction between the IRA (pre Civil War) & the Irregulars (anti-treaty side in the Civil War) as the IRA became as I presume Irregulars weren't entitled to an IRA pension.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  I'm trying to make the distinction between the IRA (pre Civil War) & the Irregulars (anti-treaty side in the Civil War) as the IRA became as I presume Irregulars weren't entitled to an IRA pension.
                  The 1932 act coincided with the accession to power of Fianna Fáil, extending Army Pensions to the losers of the Civil War.
                  sigpic
                  Say NO to violence against Women

                  Originally posted by hedgehog
                  My favourite moment was when the
                  Originally posted by hedgehog
                  red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hedgehog View Post
                    Surely before we answer or commit anything in this regard you should explain whats

                    your interest in this-



                    My father (1900-1991) at the time of his death was, to the best of my research,
                    the highest ranking Oglaigh na h-Eireann officer; having served as Brigade
                    Vice O/C and Leader of the Flying Column. Involved in some 17 engagement against
                    Crown/RIC/Tan forces incl. Kilmallock, Bruree and w/ Liam Lynch at Fermoy.

                    He was on the run, w/ a price on his head per HUE AND CRY (aka THE POLICE GAZETTE), from early 1919 til the Truce of 11 July 1921.

                    Post Truce he served as the IRA Liason Officer for his County and led Irish forces
                    in taking control over RIC/Military Barracks in his area of command. Plus
                    gun running activities resulting in some of the largest seizures of arms which were subsequently shipped to the North.

                    Later he founded in 1936 w/ Roger McCorley et al the Old IRA Mens Association in Dublin and served as its Secretary; plus a similar role in an analogous organisation of men from his county in Munster who remained in USA until FF came to power and extended pension rights to anti-Treatyites.

                    His biography (REBEL HEART...) by Terence O'Reilly is scheduled for a Sept, 2009 release by Mercier Press.

                    By the by: "Where were you in 1916?"

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                    • #11
                      I have a Liam Lynch Connection myself.
                      The Commemoration was on 2 weeks ago, and Taoiseach Brian Cowen gave the Graveside Oration. I don't know what the folks on the side of the hill did though.


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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