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  • #16
    I don't know about that but the RUC were finding stolen Irish Army weapons into the so-called Border Campaign of the 1950/60s.
    regards
    GttC

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    • #17
      The rumour goes that more was recovered than was lost.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DeV View Post
        The rumour goes that more was recovered than was lost.
        That's what I heard ,

        In the following searches for the arms. the Army and Gardai came across lots

        of Terrorist arms dumps so ended up with a profit.

        The truth did not make a good story,

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        • #19
          Originally posted by FLYER115 View Post
          Did the Irish army ever use the sten gun and if so what mark. If not was the carl gustav the first sub machine gun to enter service.
          No, never used them.

          When it was decided to adopt a machine gun after the war, the Sten was not the obvious choice, it was after all an emergency wartime design and while cheap to make and easy to use, it had problems with accidental discharges and was prone to jamming. Even the British were phasing them out, the Sterling being adopted in 1953.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by paul g View Post
            No, never used them.

            When it was decided to adopt a machine gun after the war, the Sten was not the obvious choice, it was after all an emergency wartime design and while cheap to make and easy to use, it had problems with accidental discharges and was prone to jamming. Even the British were phasing them out, the Sterling being adopted in 1953.
            And the Gustav didn't?
            "Fellow-soldiers of the Irish Republican Army, I have just received a communication from Commandant Pearse calling on us to surrender and you will agree with me that this is the hardest task we have been called upon to perform during this eventful week, but we came into this fight for Irish Independence in obedience to the commands of our higher officers and now in obedience to their wishes we must surrender. I know you would, like myself, prefer to be with our comrades who have already fallen in the fight - we, too, should rather die in this glorious struggle than submit to the enemy." Volunteer Captain Patrick Holahan to 58 of his men at North Brunswick Street, the last group of the Four Courts Garrison to surrender, Sunday 30 April 1916.

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            • #21
              Did the Sten have the capability to self-cock?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Vickers View Post
                And the Gustav didn't?
                I believe the sten was even more prone to the problem.

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                • #23
                  The only time I ever saw the Sten gun being used by the irish army, was in an episode of Father Ted when one of the priests drives through a road block and gets fired on by a soldier with a sten gun.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by backsturd View Post
                    The only time I ever saw the Sten gun being used by the irish army, was in an episode of Father Ted when one of the priests drives through a road block and gets fired on by a soldier with a sten gun.
                    That was not the Irish Army. It was the brits and it was a Sterling not a Sten.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                      There was another SMG in use before the Gustav. I saw a photo of it in use. It had a pistol grip and magazine housing similar to the Gustav, but the barrel had no sleeve around it.
                      Not a sten though.
                      That sounds like (from your description) the US "Grease Gun" used in WWII
                      (below)



                      .... and the aforementioned Carl Gustav.......





                      Judge for yourselves......
                      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                      • #26
                        I'll have to find the photo again, but I think the magazine was fed into the pistol grip, Uzi style.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #27
                          Is this a runner?
                          Madsen SMG

                          Last edited by Pod; 3 May 2010, 17:36.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Pod View Post
                            Is this a runner?
                            Madsen SMG
                            The Madsen is younger than the Gustav so no.

                            I think we can clear this up now. The Thompson was the Armys first SMG in use and the Gustav was the first standardised SMG.

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                            • #29
                              here's a listing of the weapons of the Df during ww2 from a very good site called Dan's war Room, which details equipment available to the Df duriung the war.

                              It lists 21 thompsons and 15 bergman submachine guns ( MP 18 /28?) being in service at the start of the the war, with a further 99 Thompsons being acquired during the conflict.

                              http://www.skynet.ie/~dan/war/equip.htm

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by paul g View Post
                                here's a listing of the weapons of the Df during ww2 from a very good site called Dan's war Room, which details equipment available to the Df duriung the war.

                                It lists 21 thompsons and 15 bergman submachine guns ( MP 18 /28?) being in service at the start of the the war, with a further 99 Thompsons being acquired during the conflict.

                                http://www.skynet.ie/~dan/war/equip.htm
                                Great find. Thanks paul g.
                                That answers alot of question.

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