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    Priest tells congregation there is a time for war

    GORDON DEEGAN

    A PARISH priest, commemorating the 90th anniversary of a War of Independence ambush where six men were killed, said yesterday that we should not forget that “there is a time for war and a time for peace”.

    In west Clare, more than 400 people, including relatives of the volunteers and RIC men involved in the Rineen ambush, commemorated the event, which at the time was the largest ambush of the War of Independence.

    On September 22nd, 1922, 60 Irish volunteers drawn from nine companies in the area ambushed a patrol of Royal Irish Constabulary and Black and Tans travelling in a lorry at Rineen, six miles from the seaside resort of Lahinch. The ambush was in reprisal for the killing of Commdt Martin Devitt of the 4th Battalion Mid-Clare Brigade at Inagh earlier in 1920.

    Six RIC officers, five of them Irish Catholics, were killed. Constable Reginald Hardman (21) was the only English man to die. The others killed were Con Michael Harte (28) from Sligo; Con John Hodnett (31) from Cork; Con Michael Kelly (32) from Roscommon, Con John Maguire (21) from Mayo and Sgt Michael Hynes (29) from Roscommon.

    However, in reprisal for the attack, six people in north Clare were killed by the RIC and Black and Tans – five of them later that day as British government forces destroyed businesses in Lahinch, Ennistymon and Miltown Malbay. Seán Keane, PJ Linnane, James Sammon, Tom Connole, Norah Foz and Dan Lehane died in that reprisal.

    Addressing the congregation at Moy Church yesterday, Fr Seán Murphy said: “There is a time for war as well as a time for peace and we shouldn’t forget that; that sometimes when our innate human values are challenged, like freedom, peace itself, justice, there is a time – not the first time that we don’t go immediately into war, but there is a time for war.”

    He went on: “In fact, the very easiness of our times of peace makes a lot think that there should be no war and very often our peacetime and our freedom can degenerate into a softness and an easiness that forgets that what we enjoy: the very freedom and the self-determination and goods of the earth was achieved very often through war where people fought for these values when they weren’t available.”

    Fr Murphy told the congregation: “We won’t glorify war but we can glorify the men and women who committed themselves in those days in a full way.”

    Volunteer Ignatius O’Neill led the ambush and yesterday his 60-year-old grandson, Joe O’Neill, said: “It is a very special occasion for us. For my family to be remembered in the way they are, it is very important.”

    After the wreath-laying ceremony at the monument, grand-niece of Corkman Con John Hodnett, Helen Nyhan said: “This is the first time any of the family have been here in the 90 years. John was only 31 when he was killed. It is really nice to be here.”

    In his oration, Minister for Defence Tony Killeen said that there was a very strong folk memory of the ambush in the area and that “we come here today to honour and respect their patriotism”.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...279760502.html
    Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

  • #2
    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
    A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
    A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
    A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
    A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
    A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
    A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.;
    Ecclesiastes 3:1


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • #3
      My grandfather took part in it.He was 17.He waved the flag that alerted the ambush party to the approach of the targets and watched the entire fight.He had been warned to stay out of sight as he had no weapon but was given one of the dead men's rifles, which he kept and used for the rest of the war. He managed to retain it, even when he joined the Free State Army.He told me the story shortly before he died aged 92.
      regards
      GttC

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
        Ecclesiastes 3:1
        and i thought it was mama's & papa's

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Pod View Post
          and i thought it was mama's & papa's
          The Byrds actually.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pod View Post
            and i thought it was mama's & papa's
            They're old enough; maybe their song was the inspiration for the Ecclesiastes...
            "On the plains of hesitation, bleach the bones of countless millions, who on the very dawn of victory, laid down to rest, and in resting died.

            Never give up!!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jungle View Post
              They're old enough; maybe their song was the inspiration for the Ecclesiastes...
              I hate to be a young'un putting you oldies in your places but it was the Byrds.....
              But there's no danger
              It's a professional career
              Though it could be arranged
              With just a word in Mr. Churchill's ear
              If you're out of luck you're out of work
              We could send you to johannesburg.

              (Elvis Costello, Olivers Army)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by turbocalves View Post
                I hate to be a young'un putting you oldies in your places but it was the Byrds.....
                So was that sermon...for the birds !

                there is a time – not the first time that we don’t go immediately into war, but there is a time for war.”
                What does that mean ?

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                • #9
                  I would have thought a bunch of chest beating meetings of a Live Action Role Play group (AKA the socialist workers party) would have been enough to stop the 3rd Reich and the Holocaust...

                  Could we have been misled?

                  Could the fact that pacifism simply transfers power into the hands of those most willing to use violence actually be a bad thing?

                  Surely not.
                  "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                  • #10
                    What?

                    Whoosh!


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Come-quickly View Post


                      Could the fact that pacifism simply transfers power into the hands of those most willing to use violence actually be a bad thing?
                      That's a good quote ( forgive me if it's yours ) and where did you read, it if you remember ?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by terrier View Post
                        That's a good quote ( forgive me if it's yours ) and where did you read, it if you remember ?
                        Unless I'm mistaken it's mine.

                        That'll be 2.50 per use thanks ;-p
                        "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Come-quickly View Post
                          Unless I'm mistaken it's mine.

                          That'll be 2.50 per use thanks ;-p

                          Regretfully the recession......
                          However there's a job as a DF apologist waiting !

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                          • #14
                            why would they attack the RIC in september 1922

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