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    Hi all, wonder if anybody can help. I am trying to learn what my great grandfather was up to in about 1925. He was a captain in the Irish army around this time living on Howth road, Raheny. He was from Derry but after the war of independence he had to move to Dublin. I think there is little point in my contacting the defence forces record office as my family is kind of spread to the four winds and we are not in touch any longer. All I have is an old photograph of him in his uniform and a black and tan medal.

    Just thought knowing what military units were in the area might give my a new road to search down, I don't suppose he had a car in the 20's so wherever he was based must have been in walking distance from Howth rd.

    Thanks for looking, it would be nice if I could pass on his medal and photo with part of his story. Rich.

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    You refer to the National Army. Not sure about 1925 but on 24 Jan 1923 it could be 1 of 4 of so infantry battalions (on the Northside of Dublin) plus any number of other units.

    The infantry units then were:
    13 & 57 Inf Bns (Collins Bks)
    16 Inf Bn (Mountjoy)

    If you have his name and the dates he served or photos, Military Archives may be able to help!

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    • #3
      What Artillery units of the crown were based in the greater Dublin are prior to independence?
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      • #4
        Don't have that info I'm afraid - the above was from A History of the Irish Army

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        • #5
          Hi and thanks for the reply, 1925 is a rough guess based on my grandad. I know that he went with his dad to Dublin and we have a primary school report from a school in Derry belonging to him.

          I think I will gather together what info I have and write off to the archives, I'm not his closest decendant, but some went to Canada, some stayed in Derry, Dublin and my lot are in England - nothing ventured, nothing gained and all that. Do you know what the route was to becoming an officer back then? From what I can gather, he would have joined around 1918 when things would have been a little bit up in the air so to speak.

          Thanks again, Rich.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by richardttt View Post
            Hi all, wonder if anybody can help. I am trying to learn what my great grandfather was up to in about 1925. He was a captain in the Irish army around this time living on Howth road, Raheny. He was from Derry but after the war of independence he had to move to Dublin. I think there is little point in my contacting the defence forces record office as my family is kind of spread to the four winds and we are not in touch any longer. All I have is an old photograph of him in his uniform and a black and tan medal.

            Just thought knowing what military units were in the area might give my a new road to search down, I don't suppose he had a car in the 20's so wherever he was based must have been in walking distance from Howth rd.

            Thanks for looking, it would be nice if I could pass on his medal and photo with part of his story. Rich.

            Get in touch with Army Record's , Comandant Victor Laing , you would be surprised at what they have . I was able to get the record's of a relative of mine who served in the War Of Independence and the Civil War

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            • #7
              According to Adrian English's book, the following units existed in 1924 in Dublin:

              No. 6 Brigade - 16, 17 & 18 Inf Bn
              No. 7 Brigade - 19, 20 & 21 Inf Bn


              The following are also part of E Command but it's not stated where the were based.

              2nd Armoured Car Coy
              E Comd Signals Coy
              E Comd MP Coy
              E Comd Transport Coy
              "Attack your attic with a Steyr....as seen on the Late Late Show..."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by richardttt View Post
                He was a captain in the Irish army around this time living on Howth road, Raheny.
                Not a typical address for member of the army - there were no barracks in the north east of the city as it wasn't considered a threat axis. While he might not have had a car, commuting by tram would have been an option to any of the main barracks.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                  What Artillery units of the crown were based in the greater Dublin are prior to independence?
                  Units of the BRITISH Army in residence prior to 1922 were as follows

                  DUBLIN DISTRICT

                  24th Provisional Brigade (NORTH) DUBLIN
                  Lancashire Fusiliers 24 1st Bn - - - - -
                  South Lancashire Regt 24 1st Bn Dublin
                  Royal Berkshire Regiment 24 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  South Wales Borderers 24 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Worcestershire Regt 24 2nd Bn Dublin
                  East Surrey Regiment 24 2nd Bn Dublin
                  Duke of Wellingtons Regiment 24 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Royal West Kent Regiment 24 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Wiltshire Regiment 24 1st Bn Dublin
                  Rifle Brigade 24 3rd Bn - - - - -

                  25th Provisional Brigade (SOUTH)
                  Lancashire Fusiliers 25 1st Bn - - - - -
                  South Lancashire Regiment 25 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  King's Own Regiment (R Lancashire) 25 1st Bn Dublin
                  Cheshire Regiment 25 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Worcestershire Regt 25 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Duke of Cornwalls Light Infantry 25 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Welch Regiment 25 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Prince of Wales Volunteers (N.Staffs) 25 1st Bn Dublin
                  Royal Berkshire Regiment 25 2nd Bn Dublin
                  North Lancashire Regt (Loyal Regt) 25 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Rifle Brigade 25 3rd Bn - - - - -

                  26th Provisional Brigade Bde not yet formed
                  King's Own Regt 26 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Kingn's Own Yorkshire L.I 26 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Kings Royal Rifle Corps 26 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Middlesex Regiment 26 1st Bn - - - - -


                  Mar 1920
                  Other troops in the District
                  Royal Artillery
                  RFA 33 Bde (33 Bty) Dundalk
                  RGA Medium Bde Tallagh
                  (17,18H,19H20H bty)
                  33 Bde RFA (32,52 55H) Dundalk

                  Royal Engineers
                  1( Works) Company RE - - - - -
                  2(Works) Company RE - - - - -
                  6 (Fortress) Company RE Belfast (613 Co)
                  14 (Survey) Company RE - - - - -
                  Mobile Searchlight Group RE Dublin

                  Royal Corps of Signals
                  Special Signals Co Dublin
                  K signals Co - - - - -

                  Infantry
                  Border Regiment Dub 2nd Bn - - - - -

                  Tank Corps
                  3 Tank Battalion - - - - -
                  5th Armoured Car Co Dublin


                  26th Provisional Brigade Bde not formed until later
                  King's Own Regt 26 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Kingn's Own Yorkshire L.I 26 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Kings Royal Rifle Corps 26 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Middlesex Regiment 26 1st Bn - - - - -







                  Third Cavalry Brigade CURRAGH
                  6th DG (The Carabiniers) 3 Curragh
                  12th Lancers 3 Curragh
                  15th Hussars 3 Dublin
                  The Royals 3 Ballinasloe
                  9th Lancers 3 Castlereagh
                  10th Hussars 3 Ennis
                  13th Hussars 3 Longford
                  17th Lancers 3 Buttevant

                  1V Bde RHA
                  RHA I Battery 3 Newbridge
                  RHA L Battery 3 Newbridge



                  5th DIVISION

                  Galway Infantry Brigade

                  Worcestershire Regt G 4th Bn - - - - -
                  Border Regiment G 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Kings Own Yorkshire Light Inf G 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Argyle & Sutherland High G 2nd Bn - - - - -

                  13th Infantry Brigade 14th Bde ATHLONE
                  East Yorkshire Regt 13 1st Bn Mullingar
                  Bedford & Herts Regt 13 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Border Regiment 14 2nd Bn Claremorris
                  Leicestershire Regt 13 1st Bn Athlone
                  Royal Sussex Regiment 13 1st Bn - - - - -

                  14th Infantry Brigade 15th Bde Curragh
                  Northumberland Fusiliers 14 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Suffolk Regiment 14 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Royal Scotish Fusiliers 14 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) 14 1st Bn Curragh
                  Duke of Wellingtons Regt 14 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Kings Shropshire Light Inf 14 2nd Bn Curragh
                  North Staffordshire Regt 14 1st Bn Curragh
                  Gordon Highlanders 14 2nd Bn - - - - -

                  Royal Artillery
                  RFA 30th Bde(9,16,17 47H) Kildare

                  RFA 36 Bde (15, 142H) Kildare (15,48)
                  Bty 71 Newbridge (71,142)
                  RFA 36 Bde (48bty) - - - - -

                  Royal Engineers - - - - -
                  17 Field Company RE Curragh
                  59 Field Company RE Curragh
                  Royal Corps of Signals - - - - -
                  5 Divisional Signals Curragh

                  5 Brigade RGA (17,18,19,20 (H) Btys Tallaght
                  Mar 1920
                  6th DIVISION CORK

                  16th Infantry Brigade FERMOY (17th Bde)

                  The Queen's Regiment 16 1st Bn Fermoy
                  Royal Fusiliers 16 1st Bn - - - - -
                  The Buffs 16 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Lincoln Regiment 16 1st Bn Tipperary
                  Devonshire Regiment 16 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Green Howards 16 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Yorkshire Regiment 16 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Manchester Regiment 16 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Ox & Bucks Light Infantry 16 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  East Lancashire Regiment 16 2nd Bn Buttervant
                  Gloucestershire Regt 16 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Yorkshire & Lancashire Regt 16 1st Bn - - - - -

                  17th Infantry Brigade
                  The King's Regiment 17 1st Bn - - - - -
                  The West Yorkshire Regt 17 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Kings Own Scottish Borderers 17 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  East Lancashire Regiment 17 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  The Hampshire Regiment 17 2nd Bn Cork
                  South Staffordshire Regt 17 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Ox & Bucks Light Infantry 17 2nd Bn Cork (1st & 2nd Bns)
                  Essex Regiment 17 1st Bn Kinsale
                  Sherwood Foresters 17 1st Bn - - - - -
                  The Manchester Regt 17 1st Bn - - - - -
                  The Camerons 17 2nd Bn - - - - -

                  18th Infantry Brigade
                  Royal Scots 18 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Yorkshire Regiment 18 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Warwickshire Regiment 18 1st Bn - - - - -
                  Royal Fusiliers 18 3rd Bn - - - - -
                  Royal Welch Fusiliers 18 2nd Bn Limerick
                  Oxfordshire & Bucks Light Inf 18 1st Bn - - - - -
                  The Loyal Regiment 18 2nd Bn - - - - -
                  Northamptonshire Regiment 18 1st Bn Templemore
                  Highland Light Infantry 18 2nd Bn Ennis
                  North Staffordshire Regiment 18 2nd Bn Tipperary

                  Mar 1920
                  Kerry Infantry Brigade
                  Royal Fusilers K 1st Bn - - - - - -
                  Liverpool Regiment K 1st Bn - - - - - -
                  Cheshire Regiment K 2nd Bn - - - - - -
                  Gloucester Regiment K 1st Bn - - - - - -
                  East Lancashire Regt K 2nd Bn - - - - - -
                  Loyal Regiment K 2nd Bn - - - - - -

                  Royal Artillery
                  RFA 1st Bde(11 & 146H Btys) Kilkenny
                  RFA 1st Bde (98 Bty) Waterford
                  RFA 1st Bde (136 Bty) Fethard
                  RFA 2nd Bde (21,42,53,87H) Fermoy
                  RFA 31st Bde (41, 45 129H Bty) Cahir
                  RFA 31st Bde 29 Bty Clonmel
                  Royal Engineers
                  12 Field Company RE Limerick
                  38 Field Company RE Moore Park
                  Royal Corps of Signals
                  6 Divisional Signals - - - - -

                  Other Troops in the Division
                  Royal Artillery
                  RGA 7th Medium Brigade Moore Park
                  (25, 26H,27H & 28H)
                  Royal Engineers
                  33 Fortress Company RE Cork
                  2 Mobile Searchlight Gp Cork
                  B Mobile Search Light Group - - - - -
                  Machine Gun Corps
                  Machine Gun Corps 1st Bn


                  If you need greater information I have data per month on the composition of each Division/Brigade taken from the monthly Army lists of the period.
                  Last edited by Kieran Marum; 17 December 2010, 13:23.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for all the pointers, I think I will get writing to the records people. All of his grandchildren are still alive but nobody seems to know much or seems to be that interested to find out.

                    The address is definately correct as the photo I have is taken outside it and the house was passed to my great aunt who we used to visit there many moons ago. It also turns out that I was wrong about the 1925 part, He remained in Derry after the war of independance until 1927. I found an old newspaper cutting about my grandad returning to Derry to meet his sister after 70 years apart - it says they were forced to move to Dublin so I guess that could have been due to some reorganising of the army.

                    Thanks again for the tips, Rich.

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