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    Why do the Army/Dept of Defence choose to cut up surplus vehicles rather than sell and re coup tax payers money or else offer some vehicles to collectors ? Some of the vehicles have/had suprisingly low mileages ,a white Acmat scrapped last week had 18000km on the clock ?

  • #2
    Hi there,
    There are civil servants who still think that a derelict Acmat reaching Irish public hands is a threat to State security, which is why Boards of Supply still convene to order the scrapping and defacing of surplus equipment. As a lowly apprentice, I was once detailed to destroy surplus combat jackets(the old plain green ones). some of them were still usable and despite pleas, the Q made us pour red paint on them, after we had slashed them with a knife. The remains were then burnt. If you want to make a bid on a vehicle, make it from a non-Irish Republic address. That way, when challenged, the civil servant can state that the bidder was from outside the State and he will have clean hands.
    regards
    GttC

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    • #3
      I have an Ex 2 Cav Honda Deauville.

      So there.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
        There are civil servants who still think that a derelict Acmat reaching Irish public hands is a threat to State security.
        someone in the civil service needs a reality check.

        nearly as bad as us scrapping Nimrods but that's a different kettle of fish.

        we as an army are generally recognised as having the highest of threats against us for many years yet we have always offered almost all of our vehicles to public auction and it hasn't come back to bite us:



        there are many many more ex British Army vehicles, including armoured vehicles, for sale here: http://www.mod-sales.com/direct/

        it's barking mad that you are scrapping perfectly sound vehicles that can be utilised elsewhere in the interests of this 'security threat' that i'm still not buying into.

        times are hard - scrapping sound vehicles prevents a small business from exploiting an opportunity aswell as denying another source of funds to the Irish DF.
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        Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 10 May 2011, 20:14.
        RGJ

        ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

        The Rifles

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        • #5
          Our DoD are terrified of being sued. They are worried that after selling a clapped out ACMAT to a civvy, he will assume he can use it as a ute around the farm, and when the cab floor collapses, and the new owner drowns in the drinking water tank, they will have to foot the bill.

          My item was the way they should do all disposals.
          The manufacturer who wins the tender for replacing whatever vehicle, takes the old vehicle as part of the deal, to do with what he wishes, as part exchange.
          Duty of care falls on the new owner, already in the business of vehicle manufacture of that type. It provides a warranty, if it wishes, and probably already has a distribution network, in which to sell said vehicle.
          Everyone wins.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #6
            why would the Irish DF be liable if a vehicle was auctioned and 'sold as seen'?

            i've seen plenty of 'An Post' vans knocking around and put to good use.

            why are the Irish DF different to everyone else and suffering as a result?

            the 'security threat' doesn't wash - and either does this threat of being liable after the vehicle has been sold on.
            Last edited by RoyalGreenJacket; 10 May 2011, 23:23.
            RGJ

            ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

            The Rifles

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            • #7
              Could be that they drive most machines into the ground...


              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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              • #8
                Could be a bookkeeping thing, depreciated value of asset -Nil. therefore asset cannot

                have a value. Civil service mindset. ?

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                • #9
                  the scrapped ACMAT mentioned in this thread only had 18,000Km on the clock - about one years mileage so that can't have been driven into the ground.

                  and as they say "one mans waste is another mans want" - the Irish DF could make good money from vehicles that no longer have a purpose in their intended role but maintain a high value for those seeking similar - look at the example i gave above where the MOD will get over £30,000 for one vehicle. that's more than enough to train a soldier or buy tens of rifles or plenty of ammo.

                  the Irish DF are missing a trick here - at their own expense.
                  RGJ

                  ...Once a Rifleman - Always a Rifleman... Celer et Audax

                  The Rifles

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                  • #10
                    Ex squad cars,bikes and vans are regularly flogged off at auction and are sold as seen,has to be a DoD thing that precludes sale of defunct vehicles/gear.

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                    • #11
                      There were about six Acmats on display in the curragh last Sunday. How did these

                      end up in private hands.?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RoyalGreenJacket View Post
                        the scrapped ACMAT mentioned in this thread only had 18,000Km on the clock - about one years mileage so that can't have been driven into the ground.

                        and as they say "one mans waste is another mans want" - the Irish DF could make good money from vehicles that no longer have a purpose in their intended role but maintain a high value for those seeking similar - look at the example i gave above where the MOD will get over £30,000 for one vehicle. that's more than enough to train a soldier or buy tens of rifles or plenty of ammo.

                        the Irish DF are missing a trick here - at their own expense.
                        That mileage can't be right. All the surviving acmats were overseas. Many drove that distance across african desert on a single trip.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #13
                          Hi there
                          They have no problem if you have an overseas address. It's all about ass-covering and it is a double standard, of course. They were well able to sell Marchettis and Dauphins abroad, yet selling surplus boots inside the State is apparently impossible.
                          regards
                          GttC

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                          • #14
                            That mileage can't be right. All the surviving acmats were overseas. Many drove that distance across african desert on a single trip
                            Probably been around the clock about three times.

                            I know of other vehicles that have gone for auction here without the buyer having to have an adress.Sean O'Sullivan has an M3 VTT and a MAN Troop carrier with trailer to carry it. Check out the MCVI site for piccies..looks excellent.
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