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  • #16
    As regards our pre-Steyr very impressive funeral drill,

    The good news is that the arms drill is being changed. So we all get to learn new stuff. Sometime.
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    • #17
      Is there any logical reason why it is being changed? I am not complaining...It annoys me to hear recruits complaining of stiff wrists from marching with the steyr... My Left Collar Bone still resembles the outline of the bolt on the Lee Enfield,from the wonderful Aistrigh Airm.
      And they have no Lagaigh airm either....thats just unfair. No generation should be denied the pleasure of that drill movement..

      Seriously though,it is terrible to see drill being preformed so sloppily,when it is so simple. They need a challenge. Plus there is variations as to how certain movements are preformed..depending on the unit....and dont give me the "manual" story..cos the manual in places,if not wrong,is in fact very vague..


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #18
        Arms drill and foot drill lost out with the passing of the Lee-Enfield rifle and hobnail boots.The Irish present arms [a cross between the British and French present] I believe was the most stilish to be seen anywhere.Has anybody ever seen a battalion fix bayonets with the old Lee-Enfields?And the arms drill for military funerals --reversed arms,resting on arms reversed--brillant.
        I remember going into town as a young lad in the early 50s to see the Easter parade.You would see the National colours and then the brigade colours and then the bayonets and the sound of the hobnail boots marching in step to Clares dragoons and then the roar of the spitfires as they swooped low over O'Connell street.
        Perhaps the Lee-Enfield and the hobnail boots could have been kept for ceremomial occasions

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        • #19
          True. My mother always tells of the Eucharistic Processions of the 50s and 60s,with the sound of Hobnail boots marching up the marble floors of the church,and the brass Butt Plate striking the ground...
          Ah nostalgia....


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #20
            Not hob nailed boots but Ammo boots.

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            • #21
              Yes you're dead right--"ammo boots" that opens up the old war wounds.

              Talking about drill and the like.Years ago I was a member of a bearer party at a military funeral.A retired CO of the unit had gone to his eternal reward.Anyway we had placed the coffin in the hearse and had fallen back in with the escort.Problem was we had our caps off while the rest of the escort has theirs on.The officer seeing this said "the caps lads the caps"where upon those who were bearheaded put their caps on while those with them on took them off,much to the amusement of the congregation

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              • #22
                You could always have claimed it was a special funeral drill.

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                • #23
                  Ah Arms and Foot drill. My recruit Plt. was the last in our unit to do a full arms and footdrill display at the passing out Parade. The only drill we didn't do was the Funeral drill but we did practice it.

                  I remember doing arms drill in the old car park beside the dining hall in the Glen (before the Trees were chopped down) and doing the Aistrig Airm and dropping the FN every 2 minutes becuase the handguard was soaked in sweat!! (not to mention the lovely OG shirt, there was a peculiar smell off them when soaked in sweat). Also trying not to faint when your [sadistic]NCO[/sadistic] has you at Aistrigh Airm, uimhir a Do for 5 minutes. Doing the Tairgig(?) Airm until you felt as if your muscles would pop from the strain. Losing the Feeliing in yor right arm after marching any distance with the rifle. And the pain of washing gun grease (which got on every exposed skin of your body) off your extremely red sunburn.

                  Caching the Cocking handle in your web belt (because you ALWAYS wore a web Belt) when doing the Suihig Airm. Trying not to poke yourself in the eye with the muzzle while doing a Dearcaigh Fo Dheis

                  Ah happy days I think I'll go Cry now.



                  Seriously though they should scrap the Slinged Arms drill with the Steyr. and do it like we did with the FN!
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                  • #24
                    I hear(though I may be wrong on this) that the new drill will be similar to the Australian Drill. Do any of our Antipodean members know anything about this drill?
                    I assume the "present" would remain similar to what it is today,and not follow the Commonwealth trend.


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                    • #25
                      Neascaigh Beagnaití. My brother was on a GOC's inspection once with the FN. When he was bringing the bayonet around to fix it on the rifle he hit his hand off the elbow of the man on his right and the bayonet went whirling through the air and landed on the square a couple of yards behind the company. As luck would have it he was in the back rank of the second company back or the bayonet might have lodged in somebody. Anyway what could he do but duck down, duck walk back, fix bayonet, duck walk back into the ranks and stand up just in time for the Present Arms.

                      As for the FN. Try doing the AD with those effing white gloves on. I dropped my rifle in the middle of Clonmel one day in front of the Italian Ambassador. Fortunately I caught it before it hit the ground. If Commandants only knew what goes on in the ranks behind them there would never be a ceremonial parade.

                      Parkman- there should have been a man detailed to carry the bearer party's caps. And once the coffin is in the hearse he hands each man his cap from behind over the shoulder. On the order Cludaigh (not the caps lads the caps), the bearer party puts on it's head dress.
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                      My favourite moment was when the
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                      • #26
                        Always found the trick with the woolen white gloves was to wet them...........The nicest crack fom the hand guard on the FN was when the screws were loosened slightly mind you...as I will never forget the look on the POs face as 30 hand gaurds hit the ground during the aistrig airm........

                        Great punishment for recruits was to carry out the first part of the Tarrig airm and then have them remove the left hand.....leavivng them to hold the weapon out from the body by the pistol grip...and then the NCO .....has a smoke while watching the recruits writhe in pain.........Who remembers the arm strenghtening exercises for the FN :-patriot:
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                        • #27
                          One trick which helped to bring a little jollity to foot drill was if we got around the corner before the nco was to run like blazes and turn the next corner before he rounded the first.Great to see a corporal asking did anybody see me bleedin section.
                          Another favorite was to pretend not to hear the about turn and to march out the gate onto the South Circular Road.

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                          • #28
                            I recall one particular Easter parade.We had a large number of recruits who you really could not let out in public.So it was decieded that they would ride in the back of a truck.Now there was some units up from Wexford who had the same problem, so all the recruits from the different units were loaded into the trucks.
                            Now our company were issued with Lee-Enfields which had woodwork of a very dark tan.The wexford units had rifles of a light tan.Our recruits took a shine to the rifles of the Wexford recruits and somewhere between Griffith Bks and O'Connell street the rifles were exchanged.So now our lads had the Wexford rifles and they had ours.
                            None of this was noticed until long after the Wexford lads had departed and our lads were handing back in their rifles to the QMS. Well the air turned blue.Those recruits in one short minute were on the receiving end of one of the most colourful b*****ings I have ever had the pleasure of hearing

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                            • #29
                              Oh God.

                              As embarrassing as the Mil College having to phone about every unit in the army because some cadet had left a SINCGARS in the back of a Nissan on an exercise. He wasn't sure what unit the Nissan belonged to so a poll was conducted of every unit in the DF. Mind you nobody was advertising the fact that they were up a radio either. :D
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                              Originally posted by hedgehog
                              My favourite moment was when the
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                              red headed old dear got a smack on her ginger head

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by parkman
                                .....Those recruits in one short minute were on the receiving end of one of the most colourful b*****ings I have ever had the pleasure of hearing
                                This is beautiful. Pure poetry.
                                Meh.

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