Irish Drill

[Hello Alaska]

Thats not what it says in the manual!

Well that's how it's done.

[hptmurphy]

Originally Posted by Barry

there's a distinction between an officer saying "ONC, lan leis" and "lig amach". By telling the NCOs to carry on, the officer is passing command to the senior NCO present, who will salute the officer and then take over. By telling the parade to fall out, the officer is allowing the entire body of troops to fall out, rather than simply passing on command of them, and so all of the troops salute (since the command was to all of them).

The above is my understanding of it - I can't point to a manual proving or disproving it. Maybe the elusive TR02 might give more information.

Very credible, I can go with that , not that it makes any difference to me anymore.

Originally Posted by hptmurphy
Interesting as if the troops are under command the senior bodies salutes as in two guys walking down the lines the one closest to the officer salues the other 'eyes right'

As per manual, both would salute

Not what i was taught but again you seem to be gaining some credibilty on your information so I'll take it as read.

Thanks again

[Barry]

Interesting as if the troops are under command the senior bodies salutes as in two guys walking down the lines the one closest to the officer salues the other 'eyes right'

As per manual, both would salute.

[hedgehog]

there's a distinction between an officer saying "ONC, lan leis" and "lig amach". By telling the NCOs to carry on, the officer is passing command to the senior NCO present, who will salute the officer and then take over. By telling the parade to fall out, the officer is allowing the entire body of troops to fall out, rather than simply passing on command of them, and so all of the troops salute (since the command was to all of them).

The above is my understanding of it - I can't point to a manual proving or disproving it. Maybe the elusive TR02 might give more information.

Correct (amondo)

[Barry]

there's a distinction between an officer saying "ONC, lan leis" and "lig amach". By telling the NCOs to carry on, the officer is passing command to the senior NCO present, who will salute the officer and then take over. By telling the parade to fall out, the officer is allowing the entire body of troops to fall out, rather than simply passing on command of them, and so all of the troops salute (since the command was to all of them).

The above is my understanding of it - I can't point to a manual proving or disproving it. Maybe the elusive TR02 might give more information.

[hptmurphy]

If there is an officer on parade, you (as in everyone) salute the officer if told to fall out. If the officer is to the left/right, you turn left/right (to face the officer) and salute, then fall out. Thus it's not unusual to see units who don't turn to the right and fall out doing just that (plus salute) when told to fall out when being mounted for security/guard

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Interesting as if the troops are under command the senior bodies salutes as in two guys walking down the lines the one closest to the officer salues the other 'eyes right'.

So why the change if a group is falling out?

I'm not arguing the point juts outling protocol and enquiring to the variation i protocol.

Yes the guard and escort thing I've done and seen but never really understood given that most times groups under command don't salute as individuals.

[Barry]

If there is an officer on parade, you (as in everyone) salute the officer if told to fall out. If the officer is to the left/right, you turn left/right (to face the officer) and salute, then fall out. Thus it's not unusual to see units who don't turn to the right and fall out doing just that (plus salute) when told to fall out when being mounted for security/guard.

Incidentally, does anyone have a copy of Training Regulation No2?

[fred the red]

it'd be a right moron that says "But Cpl/Sgt/Sir... I read in the manual that....."

Are you telling me that there is not some smart little ba**ard out there that wouldnt try to undermine an officer or nco.
That is why pte's dont get manuals.

Ive had this conversation/argument with other sgt's for years some units do it one way others another.

I did hear once that if there is an officer on parade you turn to the right salute and disperse.
If no officer pause three seconds and disperse.

[johnny no stars]

The confusion only exists when two or more subunits "work together"

[GoneToTheCanner]

So,JNS, what you're saying is that, thirteen years after I left, there is still confusion about how to fall out from a parade.Back to DFTC or whoever is responsible for drill standards.After all, that's what a Standard is for.
regards
GttC

[johnny no stars]

it'd be a right moron that says "But Cpl/Sgt/Sir... I read in the manual that....."

[hedgehog]

Why would a pte need a manual?

Are we going to have pte's dictating to nco's now.

if the Army wanted Pte's to have the manual

then the Army would require Privates to be able to read upon entry

let them read the manual and next thing they will want to sit in the front of the Nissan

tsk tsk pseeeeeeeh

[fred the red]

Why would a pte need a manual?

Are we going to have pte's dictating to nco's now.

[hedgehog]

The manual of how to arrange the flowers in the COs office.... I thought that was obvious?

well if thats your attitude

[johnny no stars]

The manual of how to arrange the flowers in the COs office.... I thought that was obvious?