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    Given the speed, vitriol, and above all organization that the Shinnerbots seem to display in pretty much every on-line Irish forum and comment board, Dr Murphy may have a point here. Any thoughts?

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/le...-29703098.html
    . Duped by 'historical porn'

    27 OCTOBER 2013

    Madam – Last week, Eoghan Harris referred to the tip of an iceberg: the manipulation of the internet when it comes to Irish history in the War of Independence and Civil War period. He suggests that "internet political sites are infiltrated by a band of anonymous fanatical nationalists". A check through the 'Edits History' of the Wikipedia entry on the late historian, Peter Hart, to take but one example, confirms this. Every entry that attempts to be fair to Hart is immediately removed.

    To make matters worse, if you correct factual errors in any of these ostensibly 'objective' web pages, your corrections will last only a few hours. Propagandists will reinsert the earlier distortions with a speed that suggests they either work shifts or spend all day on Wikipedia. It is simply not possible for anything even vaguely resembling the truth to be carried on open-access web pages when it comes to the War of Independence or Civil War. This process is relentless, mean-spirited and one-sided.

    Given this remorseless campaign, is it any wonder that young people – who take most of their information from the internet, and who soon will no longer be taught history at Junior Cert level – are sliding back into the kind of tribal prejudices recounted in the study by Heather Crawford that Mr Harris quotes?

    Parents are worried that internet pornography is distorting young people's views of sexuality (Sunday Independent, October 20, 2013). Likewise, internet propaganda is distorting their view of Irish history. Our kids are being duped. Don't get me wrong: the internet is a wonderful tool. But it can also be used to sow deceit on a grand scale. It is time we recognised this for what it is: historical pornography – even if it usually comes complete with high-end web design.

    Gerard Murphy

    Dept of Science and Health,

    Institute of Technology,

    Carlow

    Sunday Independent
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Over on P.ie the Shinnerbots and the Jew- haters between them have ruined what used to be a half decent forum.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
      Given the speed, vitriol, and above all organization that the Shinnerbots seem to display in pretty much every on-line Irish forum and comment board, Dr Murphy may have a point here. Any thoughts?

      http://www.independent.ie/opinion/le...-29703098.html

      The "Shinners" as u call them do not have a monopoly on historical porn, the organization of which u are/ were a member and the Britsh Govt and Empire were and still are much more expert at historical porn than any SinN Fein, republican, Fenian or freedom fighter was ever. They have centuries of experience of rewriting history, manipulation and explotation of their own and other people as some of the comments and opinions expressed in this site attest to .
      Oh will I be banned again ???

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      • #4
        Some one once said that history is often written from the victors perspective.

        I relation to Bandits point is that the empire was global and achievement in itself and did post a very positive image of the the British abroad to the people at home , which may have been removed from that abroad, and there fore when viewd froma British aspect will always be viewed through rose tinted glasses.

        The Americans enlarge are at the same game except their own nationals tend to be far to stupid to realize how the gate keeper of the free world conducts its affairs in foreign lands.

        An the we arrive at Sinn Feinn. SF had been at it for years but their message was reserved fora very small minority. They weedled their way onto councils and adopted the tactics of the bigger parties in keeping the local constituents happy, if you get enough of thse happy you will without doubt get a seat in the Dail. Now introduce good Friday and SF selling their own leaders as being wholly the key to it all happening, thrown ina few disaffected socialists and then head in to a recession where even the centre left move right.

        Guess who has set them slves up as the primary alternative left and can reflect on recent political achievemnts and claim that the troubles of the past lead them to the position where they could be recognized as reasonably successful especially amongst a middle class who are rapidly becoming disefranchised, almost anything they have done can be justified in their ' Struggle'

        Note I don't differentiate between Sinn Fein and the Provisional IRA at any point as for all intents and purposes they are the same.

        Now back to what might seem like some justified 'Brit Bashing' by a portion of the Republics population whether it be the 800 hundred years of oppresion of Bloody Sunday, The Sinn Fein Machine plays on every little bit and enlarges what it wishes to focus on but ignores what dosen't suit.

        Stage management of memorial events and micro management of their own part in history and it almost looks good to those who don't remember the reality or chose not to as the audience they are looking to convert are looking for change.

        Trouble is politics is not about change or parties, the country is not run by politicians and all the policies in the world must be rubber stamped in the halls of power before the politicians get at them. There is no need for change in 99% of how the country is run, but because you have an agenda , you might as well blame the whole system.

        the sowing of the seed to the disaffected has already begun and will come to the fore in the next local elections and given the lack of recognition by the mainstream parties of the kernel of the problem and how Sinn Feinn is still allowed to relate to its history in a positive sense they will come out on top,

        Take it to a antional level and if wea are still in an economic mire, there may be capital gain for SF in the next general election, simply because, no one has ever put up a poster say what Martin Ferris Convicted Gun Runner Caused anda picture of a mutilated roadside body.

        My recent encounter with the nouveuax SF sharply reminded me that it was only allegation that McGuinness and Adams had been ring leaders in the IRA.........and he was ex DF.
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BANDIT View Post
          The "Shinners" as u call them do not have a monopoly on historical porn, the organization of which u are/ were a member and the Britsh Govt and Empire were and still are much more expert at historical porn than any SinN Fein, republican, Fenian or freedom fighter was ever. They have centuries of experience of rewriting history, manipulation and explotation of their own and other people as some of the comments and opinions expressed in this site attest to .
          Oh will I be banned again ???
          As Murph has said, history is (usually) written by the victors. However, the truth can be distorted, and if a lie is repeated often enough, it can become seen as the truth.

          Although I am not setting myself up as a defender of British policy towards Ireland or anybody else over the past few hundred years, there has been a willingness of successive British governments to re-examine and apologise for previous wrongs. Something that Sinn Fein seem unwilling to do, and the whole "Blame it on the Brits" culture does not stand up to close examination any more. Since independence, there has been a history of corruption and moral turpitude in the 26 counties which does not withstand close examination, and is the fault of nobody but the Irish people.

          If you are going to start into my service in the RAMC, equating it with something I should be ashamed of, that's your right and your opinion. But just so there is a level playing field, let us know who you have been a gun for hire for within that bastion of good governance, open government, anti-corruption and promotion of human rights that is the African continent, and then everybody will be able to see what moral high ground you are working from.
          Last edited by Flamingo; 29 October 2013, 16:07.
          'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
          'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
          Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
          He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
          http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BANDIT View Post
            The "Shinners" as u call them do not have a monopoly on historical porn, the organization of which u are/ were a member and the Britsh Govt and Empire were and still are much more expert at historical porn than any SinN Fein, republican, Fenian or freedom fighter was ever. They have centuries of experience of rewriting history, manipulation and explotation of their own and other people as some of the comments and opinions expressed in this site attest to .
            Oh will I be banned again ???

            Shinner backroom puppet masters are scum. and will harm any Irish person who will stand in there way of turning us into another backward Cuba.
            Anyone I know that are involved with them are either Brainwashed middleclass marxists or previous nobodies who now can swagger around my area with there new mates. Then there are the people who will now vote for them to protect there wellfair or so they think.
            PS It was an Irish historian who was correcting the Shin Fein propaganda. not some outsider.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by terrier View Post
              Over on P.ie the Shinnerbots and the Jew- haters between them have ruined what used to be a half decent forum.
              In the online world it does look like the Shinners et al have got first mover advantage. They recognised early on the power of the internet to get the message out to a mass audience.

              Snagging young internet users with their version of events educates them early on light touch moderated sites (compared to IMO) such as boards.ie

              Sinn Fein in the Dublin seem to be trying to distance themselves from the northern leadership and the local elections will see a lot of fresh young faces who will connect better with the younger generations. SF are playing a long game, while Gerry & Marty are dying to be centre stage at the easter commemorations in 2016 they are playing this long game very well
              You're even dumber than I tell people

              You might have been infected but you never were a bore

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              • #8
                SF/IRA are not the only party spamming boards/p.ie. Labour Jugend do the same as do the various ogra wings. I don't see how SF/IRAs more organised and effective online efforts are any worse than the other parties ad hoc efforts. P.ie I cannot understand why people bother going there, on boards every second poster is a mod so thats another disaster zone.
                Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                • #9
                  Anyone ever read the comments on The Journal? Jesus. You talk about RA scum apologists and Jew haters on P.ie? Check any Israel/NI related article and for mentalists.
                  I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                  Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                  Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                  And whistled early with the lark.

                  In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                  With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                  He put a bullet through his brain.
                  And no one spoke of him again.

                  You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                  Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                  Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                  The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                  • #10
                    Somebody called Anne Cadwallader has written a new book about alleged collusion between the British/Loyalists and how it lengthened the "War". It was launched with the support of the usual suspects lately. I'll let ye dig it up for yerselves...
                    regards
                    GttC

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                    • #11
                      Has anyone written a book about Ra /shin fein collusion with M15, loyalists, and the gardia.?

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                      • #12
                        [QUOTE=Flamingo;403319]Given the speed, vitriol, and above all organization that the Shinnerbots seem to display in pretty much every on-line Irish forum and comment board, Dr Murphy may have a point here. Any thoughts?

                        Sofa " Shinners are scum" Vitriol, see they do not have a monopoly

                        Now as regards my involvement in Africa.. Not entirely proud of it some good parts and bad parts and not assuming a moral high ground just pointing out that the BA and its apologists and wannabes on this site have no right to assume a moral high ground when it comes to SF. As was discussed at length on this board and in a very civilized way a few months ago there were are no absolutes rights or wrongs when it comes to the North, IRA, ba, udr,uvf etc etc . whether we like it or not the roots of the present are buried in the past , My position is that the state of NI is an undemocratic state that was created by the threat of force by the laragest military power ay that time. Its greatest effect has been to distract Irsh people North and South away from real politics ...




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                        • #13
                          [QUOTE=BANDIT;403540]
                          Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                          Given the speed, vitriol, and above all organization that the Shinnerbots seem to display in pretty much every on-line Irish forum and comment board, Dr Murphy may have a point here. Any thoughts?

                          Sofa " Shinners are scum" Vitriol, see they do not have a monopoly

                          Now as regards my involvement in Africa.. Not entirely proud of it some good parts and bad parts and not assuming a moral high ground just pointing out that the BA and its apologists and wannabes on this site have no right to assume a moral high ground when it comes to SF. As was discussed at length on this board and in a very civilized way a few months ago there were are no absolutes rights or wrongs when it comes to the North, IRA, ba, udr,uvf etc etc . whether we like it or not the roots of the present are buried in the past , My position is that the state of NI is an undemocratic state that was created by the threat of force by the laragest military power ay that time. Its greatest effect has been to distract Irsh people North and South away from real politics ...


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                          May be misquoting me there. If you are referring to No 6.??????

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