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  • #91
    Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
    FN, Bren, Vickers MG, Carl Gustav M45 SMG and Gustav 84mm. 60mm mortars were also used during the engagement. 81mm mortars were available to the Irish in ONUC, but not at Jadotville, unfortunately. Even though they were resupplied with 81mm ammo.
    Sounds a bit of a nightmare from a resupply point of view, which I'm sure didn't help.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    • #92
      Yes, the only resupply that got through (The Heli) had contaminated water and 81mm mortar ammo.
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
        Yes, the only resupply that got through (The Heli) had contaminated water and 81mm mortar ammo.
        Cock-up or Conspiracy?
        'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
        'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
        Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
        He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
        http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
          Cock-up or Conspiracy?
          I've never encountered a UN job that was competent enough to need any conspiracy to cause it problems - its natural ability to **** anything up meant that even attempting a conspiracy would end in failure...

          Contaminated water is sadly easy enough to do, and I don't doubt the 81mm went on the chopper as what was immediately to hand when someone said 'mortars'.

          We have ammo bundles that are ready packaged - X quantity of 5.56, Y quantity of 7.62, Z quantity of 40mm grenades etc... This is probably the same thing, with the assumption that when someone said 'mortars' what was meant was 81mm...

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          • #95
            The coy was equipped with 81mm mortars, but they were being used on another op on that occasion. The water was also unfortunate. Jerricans were filled with water, but they had been used for fuel prior to that, and had not been cleaned out.
            Just finished Rose Doyle's book myself last week. an excellent read, consisting of diary entries and letters written contemporaneously by Cft. Quinlan.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • #96
              Under the "what if" heading, if a proper resupply had got through, would they have held out for long enough for the Katanganese forces to fall apart?
              'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
              'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
              Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
              He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
              http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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              • #97
                http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/fi...medium=twitter

                Richie Smyth’s The Siege of Jadotville, the story of the Irish battalion that fought during the 1961 UN intervention in the Congo, is to receive a limited theatrical release in Ireland and Britain from September 19th.
                The film was produced for the Netflix streaming service by Parallel Films.
                Element Pictures, another Irish distribution and production company, will distribute The Siege of Jadotville in these territories before its Netflix debut on October 7th.
                At this year’s Galway Film Fleadh, where the movie premiered, Leo Quinlan, the commandant’s son, confirmed that the Government was to issue a unit citation to the Jadotville defenders, more than half a century after the event.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                  Under the "what if" heading, if a proper resupply had got through, would they have held out for long enough for the Katanganese forces to fall apart?
                  A resupply would only have been successful if it was followed with immediate all arms support. Enough Ammo and water for the coy to continue fighting until support in numbers arrived. Air support was offered by Ethiopia, but blocked from overflying Kenya by the British. Cft. Quinlan repeatedly requested support. However the UN Operation Morthor in Elisabethville meant all Katangese forces were now between Jadotville and Lufira Bridge. Any support would have to get through them first, and casualties would be inevitably high.
                  The real question remains as to why A Coy were sent to Jadotville in the first place, unaware of Morthor, and unwanted by the well armed local white population it was sent to protect.
                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • #99
                    An ex-member of "A" Coy on Facebook has said that they never had Vicker's HMG's mounted on land-rovers,

                    and that the only Vicker's in "A" Coy at Jadotville were ground mounted.

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                    • Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
                      An ex-member of "A" Coy on Facebook has said that they never had Vicker's HMG's mounted on land-rovers,

                      and that the only Vicker's in "A" Coy at Jadotville were ground mounted.
                      They had Ford armoured cars as I recall

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                      • Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
                        An ex-member of "A" Coy on Facebook has said that they never had Vicker's HMG's mounted on land-rovers,

                        and that the only Vicker's in "A" Coy at Jadotville were ground mounted.
                        Rose Doyle's book suggests there were light machine guns mounted on A Coy jeeps. The coy had two Ford armoured cars with Vickers guns mounted on them and four ground mounted Vickers. One of the first engagements from the irish side was from a mounted machine gun on one of A Coy's jeeps. So perhaps they had Bren Guns mounted on Jeeps, as opposed to Vickers guns mounted on land rovers?
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • historically technically inaccurate it may be in some parts - but the publicity a movie like this can garner for the publics opinion of the DF UN role will, imho outweigh these issues... for the likes of those in the know however, we will probably sit and tut about the mistakes.

                          im reading the book at the minute but didn't know that the chopper crash landed nor that the fouga sustained bullet holes in the underside of the fuselage. (as seen in the trailer)
                          "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
                          "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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                          • The fouga flew into a wall of irish lead many times, and while it did not disable the aircraft, it did mean he did less strafing at low level, and more bombing from high.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • Originally posted by morpheus View Post
                              historically technically inaccurate it may be in some parts - but the publicity a movie like this can garner for the publics opinion of the DF UN role will, imho outweigh these issues... for the likes of those in the know however, we will probably sit and tut about the mistakes.
                              Spot on. Watching the trailer I'm amazed that they have achieved the level of accuracy they have for what is a relatively low budget movie. There will be minor errors throughout - only noticed by Exers and Military anoraks - but that makes it all the more fun. But think of what Morpheus just pointed out - we will be watching an internationally distributed movie about the Defence Forces. It's a movie - not a documentary. I guarantee you that 3 years ago no-one could have dreamed we'd see such a thing.
                              “The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards.”
                              ― Thucydides

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                              • The catch all will always be "based on a true story"

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