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  • #16
    Originally posted by sofa View Post
    And yet Mary loo turns up each year to "Honour" the Nazi collaborator sean Russell in Fairview park
    Mary loo isn't the Government though, and as such, the commemoration isn't official.

    This was a disaster for Flanagan, and Vradker, looks like he'll be a half term Taoiseach, Just like Sir Jonny Bruton.

    I'd say Michael Martin will be revising his Election timetable ahead of Thursday evenings meeting.

    The 2030's will be an interesting decade for Fine Gael, the founding of the Blueshirts in 1932 and Mr Hitler coming to power in Deutschland in 1933, I wonder what they have planned.

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    • #17
      You seem to forget that the Catholic church encouraged people to join Franco and his fascists as they fought the communists. It was cool to be a facist then, a lot like today...
      Those who joined the "antifa" of the day were excommunicated.
      Isn't history fun?
      German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
      German 2: Private? I am a general!
      German 1: That is the bad news.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Herald View Post
        Mary loo isn't the Government though, and as such, the commemoration isn't official.

        This was a disaster for Flanagan, and Vradker, looks like he'll be a half term Taoiseach, Just like Sir Jonny Bruton.

        I'd say Michael Martin will be revising his Election timetable ahead of Thursday evenings meeting.

        The 2030's will be an interesting decade for Fine Gael, the founding of the Blueshirts in 1932 and Mr Hitler coming to power in Deutschland in 1933, I wonder what they have planned.
        I'd expect they're similar to Fianna Fáil plans to commerate the economic war as over the decades they've managed the economy so well.

        Going to the electorate on the issue of housing, many of whom are still in negative equity and shoddily bully houses down the last time Fianna Fáil were in power is interesting to say the least

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        • #19
          I see it's been postponed for further consultation

          https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-38841817.html
          'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
          'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
          Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
          He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
          http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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          • #20
            Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            You seem to forget that the Catholic church encouraged people to join Franco and his fascists as they fought the communists. It was cool to be a facist then, a lot like today...
            Those who joined the "antifa" of the day were excommunicated.
            Isn't history fun?

            Only in FG circles though, as their Leader, John A Costello, alluded to in a Dail speech in 1934.

            the Blackshirts were victorious in Italy and that the Hitler Shirts were victorious in Germany, as, assuredly, in spite of this Bill...the Blueshirts will be victorious in the Irish Free State.
            And to quote Oliver J flanagan, (Ironically, the Minister currently in question's father) :


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            How is it that we do not see any of these Acts directed against the Jewswho crucified Our Saviour nineteen hundred years ago, and who are crucifying us every day in the weekHow is it that we do not see them directed against the Masonic OrderHow is it that the I.R.Ais considered an illegal organisation while the Masonic Order is not considered an illegal organisation? [...] There is one thing that Germany did, and that was to rout the Jews out of their countryUntil we rout the Jews out of this country it does not matter a hair's breadth what orders you make. Where the bees are there is the honey, and where the Jews are there is the money. 

            And in a letter to Father Fahey, a noted Anti-semite and shadowey Maria Duce founder:

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            Just a line letting you know we are going ahead with the election campaign in Laois-Offaly against the Jew-Masonic System which is imposed on usThe people are coming to us – but it's hard to get the people to understand how they are held down by the Jews and Masons, who control their very lives 



            As that comedian Oliver Callen used to say "Thats FineGaelness".
            Last edited by Herald; 7 January 2020, 22:43.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Herald View Post
              Only in FG circles though, as their Leader, John A Costello, alluded to in a Dail speech in 1934.



              And to quote Oliver J flanagan, (Ironically, the Minister currently in question's father) :


              PHP Code:
              How is it that we do not see any of these Acts directed against the Jewswho crucified Our Saviour nineteen hundred years ago, and who are crucifying us every day in the weekHow is it that we do not see them directed against the Masonic OrderHow is it that the I.R.Ais considered an illegal organisation while the Masonic Order is not considered an illegal organisation? [...] There is one thing that Germany did, and that was to rout the Jews out of their countryUntil we rout the Jews out of this country it does not matter a hair's breadth what orders you make. Where the bees are there is the honey, and where the Jews are there is the money. 

              And in a letter to Father Fahey, a noted Anti-semite and shadowey Maria Duce founder:

              PHP Code:
              Just a line letting you know we are going ahead with the election campaign in Laois-Offaly against the Jew-Masonic System which is imposed on usThe people are coming to us – but it's hard to get the people to understand how they are held down by the Jews and Masons, who control their very lives 



              As that comedian Oliver Callen used to say "Thats FineGaelness".
              And if you were around in the day. which way would you have gone?

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              • #22
                Connaught Rangers Mutiny

                In India Irish men serving in the British army refuse to follow orders in protest at British army actions in Ireland.

                On 28 June 1920, five men from the Connaught Rangers, an Irish regiment of the British army based at the Wellington Barracks, Jullundur (Jalandhar), Punjab in India, refused to perform military duties in protest over British army activities and the imposition of martial law in Ireland.

                Fifty years later ‘Seven Days’ looked back on the mutiny.

                The five mutineers were joined by other Connaught Rangers who refused to perform duties until British forces left Ireland. Led by Private James Joseph Daly, whose brother William took part in the protest at Jullundur, the protest spread to the Connaught Rangers company at Solon.

                Within days, both garrisons were occupied by loyal British troops. James Daly and his followers surrendered and were taken prisoner. Eighty-eight mutineers were court martialed. Nineteen men were sentenced to death. Eighteen later had their sentences changed to life imprisonment. 59 were sentenced to 15 years imprisonment, and ten were acquitted. The 21-year-old James Daly was shot by a firing squad in Dagshai Prison on 2 November 1920. He was the last member of the British Armed Forces to be executed for mutiny.

                Described as Irish men who were part of the British tradition, Joe Hawes was one of the first five soldiers to refuse to carry out duties. He recalls the conversation he had with the four others the night before the mutiny.

                The men locked themselves in for the night. The following morning they refused their service to the British government until such time that the troops withdrew from Ireland and the country given its freedom. While they were Irish men, they were also British soldiers and refusal to obey an order is mutiny.

                By the morning, the mutiny had spread and Joe Hawes along with thirty colleagues were locked in the guardroom. The rest of the regiment felt shamed and disgraced by these actions.

                The men were marched out of the guardroom and addressed by the commanding officer Colonel Digan who pleaded with the men to return to duty and praising the work of the regiment. However, he failed to convince the mutineers and a committee of seven were appointed to take charge. Joe Hawes was one of them. The first thing they did was to replace the Union Jack with the Tricolour. They then installed a republican or “rebel” guard on the camp.



                This episode of ‘Seven Days’ was broadcast on 3 November 1970. The reporter is Denis Mitchell.

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                • #23
                  Kilmichael: This means war

                  https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1128/11...his-means-war/

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                  • #24
                    Bloody Bitter Savage Fight



                    ‘Kilmichael Ambush County Cork 1920’ was broadcast on 1 November 1966.

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                    • #25
                      An interesting man, with lots of personal contradictions.
                      Son of an RIC officer, Joined the Royal Artillery in 1915 at the age of 18. While he says he had a "road to Damascus" moment after hearing of the 1916 Rising while serving in what is now Iraq, he went on to apply (unsuccessfully) for a position in the British Civil service in India after the end of WW1. His memoirs give great detail to his activities in the War of independence, but none of his activities on the Anti-Treaty side during the Civil war. Went on to become a TD.
                      There has been much speculation about how the ambush happened, even Barry's own account is inaccurate. Testimony of those who participated are at odds with Barrys account given in his Autobiography.

                      The Ambush site is barely recognisable today, having been made "visitor friendly" some years ago. The Streetview image shows it before the works were done.
                      https://goo.gl/maps/fV1kmqi8msAVSL5B9
                      German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                      German 2: Private? I am a general!
                      German 1: That is the bad news.

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                      • #26
                        'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                        'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                        Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                        He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                        http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                        • #27
                          More than a few narratives from that time were economical with the truth, on both sides. I asked Grandad one time about Tom Barry's battles and he rolled his eyes and laughed. He'd known him back then and just said that he was "very vain...and let's leave it at that".

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                            More than a few narratives from that time were economical with the truth, on both sides. I asked Grandad one time about Tom Barry's battles and he rolled his eyes and laughed. He'd known him back then and just said that he was "very vain...and let's leave it at that".
                            Although he didn't know Barry personally , my own Grandfather who was from the Innishannon area was of the same opinion .
                            Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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