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  • Originally posted by smegers View Post
    While that is an improvement why wouldn't they just put it on the blanking panel then it can be standard across multiple items of uniform.
    I like your thinking.And you are right.We should have gone this route from the start.
    I guarantee it's because some high ranker wanted to keep the "smart" look of the old shirt because he liked wearing it.Couldn't have a Field/working Uniform being practical now could we
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • Couldn't have a Field/working Uniform being practical now could we
      your absolutely right, cos taking pockets off them is the way to go for sure. It sounds like I'm sniping here but this is brutally badly thought out every other shirt and tunic has pockets in it
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      • Originally posted by apod View Post
        Looks like the lopsided DPM shirt issue has been addressed. Pictures up on social media of Air Corps recruits wearing DPM shirts with UBAC pockets on BOTH sleeves.

        And before someone says it.No.They were not UBACS. Recruits are not scaled for them and UBACS doesn't come with a tricolour stitched on.
        Social media? FB, Twitter or Flickr?
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        • Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
          Social media? FB, Twitter or Flickr?
          FB. One of the Cosantoir Photographers personal page. Nice gallery of pics. All the Air Corps recruits had new style shirts,smocks and trousers. The rest of us are a miss mash.
          New smock looks really short when worn with CEFO.I can see it riding up when kneeling .No protection on wet ground for your tush.
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • MOD: NSV DPM Posts moved to that thread in the NS section. Please keep this thread to the thread topic.Thanks.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • Air Corps recruits doing field training. Note the 2019 pattern DPM shirt with UBACS pockets on both sleeves.

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              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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              • A long time since I heard of an Air Corps recruit platoon.
                What is the intended contents of these pockets? Good that they are balanced,but they seem a bit balloony.
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                • What is the intended contents of these pockets? Good that they are balanced,but they seem a bit balloony.
                  Here's the thing.Most of us will only ever use those pockets to carry our phone or a notebook.A wallet at most. They are really only replacing the chest pockets that have been omitted on the new shirts to keep the females happy and to cut costs by buying one "unisex" shirt rather than separate male and female shirts.

                  The only people I ever see using them in a tactical training scenario are PDF recruits and RDF. Everyone else has UBACS. Still an improvement on the 2018 shirts though.We went from having three pockets to one and a half Hardly user friendly.

                  As for the balloon/batwing pocket effect. The brits found that out the hard way when they introduced the exact same pocket design on the 2011 PCS uniform. Pockets stick out too far when packed out and get caught on webbing etc when donning/doffing. They quickly changed from having a single large piece of velcro under the blanking panel to a "window frame " style strip of velcro which gives the pocket less rigidity. Never work here though. The Army Loooooooooooves its velcro panels. Every shape and size of badge is being worn on UBACS as no clear policy on what to wear(or not) and how to wear it was ever decided on . I have seen tricolours worn on either sleeve(left sleeve people FFS) Rank marking on front of or behind the tricolour. Rank marking on the right sleeve. Badges sewn to the blanking plates(their true purpose) or just velcroed on directly. Zap badges, Sniper badges,PARA wings the list goes on.
                  "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                  • And I assume this new shirt looks shite on parade?

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                    • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                      And I assume this new shirt looks shite on parade?
                      Once you iron it flat and sew the corners down it'll be fine on parade....
                      German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                      German 2: Private? I am a general!
                      German 1: That is the bad news.

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                      • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                        Once you iron it flat and sew the corners down it'll be fine on parade....
                        So minimising the potential use of the pockets and defeating the whole object

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          So minimising the potential use of the pockets and defeating the whole object
                          Now you're gettin it.
                          German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
                          German 2: Private? I am a general!
                          German 1: That is the bad news.

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                          • Finally a clear picture of the 2019 shirt in use. Note the height of the sleeve pockets compared to the 2018 model. Also a prime example in this picture of the different ways badges and flashes are being worn.Also Why have a tricolour stitched to the shirt when the shirt has velcro for badge attachment? The badges on both sleeves are lopsided.
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                            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                            • There was nothing wrong with the original material or design

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                              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                                There was nothing wrong with the original material or design
                                There was.On both counts. The material on the collars on the second type(not elvis collar) shirt would wear away over time and the angled chest pockets became redundant once GSBA/battlevest became a thing.Hence the move to ripstop material and flat ,and then no, chest pockets.

                                One could argue that with the advent of UBACS we could go back to the original design shirt as it's supposed to be part of Bks dress now.The Brits did that.Cheaper too as their Bks shirt isn't IRR treated. Of course that would cause a snag as to what PDF recruits and AR personnel would wear in the field in warm weather as they aren't scaled for UBACS.
                                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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