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  • Without a pen pocket people will resort to hanging pens on rank sliders instead...

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    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
      Without a pen pocket people will resort to hanging pens on rank sliders instead...
      Indeed.Which looks shit. Honestly I just don't get why all our outer Garments(tops) can't have a similar pocket layout. Except for the stupid field dressing pocket on right forearm of the new smock and waterproof jacket.Get rid of those. No need.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • Admin Instruction A9 updated.

        1/ Boots Operational Brown now authorised for wear "As ordered". (Boots black Operational still authorised for wear (for now)by those who have not been issued an alternative IE PDF Inductees/ AR pers)

        2/ Issued approved Subdued Unit flashes approved for wear. To be worn on DPM smock,shirt and UBACS.
        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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        • Originally posted by apod View Post
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          2/ Issued approved Subdued Unit flashes approved for wear. To be worn on DPM smock,shirt and UBACS.
          I assume where they can be attached ?
          As in there is Velcro ?

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          • Of course not.That would make sense. 2.5 Cm below the highest point of the shoulder seam.

            That might work with the smock or older shirts,but you will need to attach soft velcro first,but there is no way that the Bicep pocket velcro on the UBACS or new shirt is 2.5 Cm below the highest point of the shoulder seam.Are we expected to sew on a velcro backed badge ABOVE the shirt/UBACS pocket when both items already have a velcro panel designed to fit your badges too??

            Seriously.Who thinks these things up?
            Last edited by apod; 2 February 2021, 20:12.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • The idea fairy strikes again.

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              • Rollout of some of the new items of kit is real slow at present.

                No sign of the Tactical trousers/belt/gloves or subdued flashes. Light OP/Bks Boots are later in the year but IMHO can't come fast enough.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • TAC trousers isn’t happening now with the exception of a small group. It’ll be a few years before bigger majority get them
                  Sir I cant find my peltors........Private they are on your face

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                  • Originally posted by spider pig View Post
                    TAC trousers isn’t happening now with the exception of a small group. It’ll be a few years before bigger majority get them
                    If Irish Pattern DPM is going to be reviewed in the coming years, is procurement of new design items like "Ranger Trousers" a good use of funds? Also, the procurement of NS-DPM recently should have been treated as a trial run for the larger scale project over the horizon. What lessons were learned I wonder.
                    What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                    • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

                      If Irish Pattern DPM is going to be reviewed in the coming years, is procurement of new design items like "Ranger Trousers" a good use of funds? Also, the procurement of NS-DPM recently should have been treated as a trial run for the larger scale project over the horizon. What lessons were learned I wonder.
                      Once they were in service it's just a question of changing the pattern.

                      What lessons are you thinking of?? How to procure better or how to improve the uniform??
                      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                      • Originally posted by apod View Post

                        Once they were in service it's just a question of changing the pattern.

                        What lessons are you thinking of?? How to procure better or how to improve the uniform??
                        Both really, along with how to roll out and change over in a timely and effective manner too. In my mind, ideally, you'd have every soldier sized and measured up prior to issuing, with an initial scale of issue being packed with correct sizes by stores staff and either a) delivered to units or b) collected at stores. This would be followed by a widely notified switch over date, documentation on the care and maintenance of the new kit (lessons from the single boot rollout). The night before change over, have a pre drafted A9 updated published.

                        This way we don't have a prolonged period of multiple patterns in use, we don't have people coming back from overseas with new kit not being allowed to wear it while also (potentially) being told they cannot be issued replacement for old DPM.
                        What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                        • Both really, along with how to roll out and change over in a timely and effective manner too. In my mind, ideally, you'd have every soldier sized and measured up prior to issuing, with an initial scale of issue being packed with correct sizes by stores staff and either a) delivered to units or b) collected at stores. This would be followed by a widely notified switch over date, documentation on the care and maintenance of the new kit (lessons from the single boot rollout). The night before change over, have a pre drafted A9 updated published.
                          So.Pretty much how we did the last DPM changeover.With the exception of a user maintenance awareness program. I do remember some units having problems getting sufficient DPM shirts initially and being given permission to wear the OG shirt with the DPM trousers until deliveries/issues caught up. Also there being insufficient rank marking available.But other than that A9 amendments were rolled out weeks before changeover and the date was set with no major issues.

                          This way we don't have a prolonged period of multiple patterns in use, we don't have people coming back from overseas with new kit not being allowed to wear it while also (potentially) being told they cannot be issued replacement for old DPM.
                          Yeah.That has been a snag in the past and also now. I know some lads just back from overseas whose Scouts are knackered from hard use and poor maintenance(not their fault when they don't know how) who have been refused a re-issue. That might change once the rollout is fully complete but seeing as we are now wearing Scouts everyday (after a serious flip flopping from the brass) it has put those lads in a shitty situation in that they have no choice but to wear messed up boots everyday because they have nothing else!!
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • I missed the last uniform change over by a few years Great if that is how it rolled out previously, and hopefully how it will roll out again.

                            What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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