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  • ODIN
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    I missed the last uniform change over by a few years Great if that is how it rolled out previously, and hopefully how it will roll out again.

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  • apod
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    Both really, along with how to roll out and change over in a timely and effective manner too. In my mind, ideally, you'd have every soldier sized and measured up prior to issuing, with an initial scale of issue being packed with correct sizes by stores staff and either a) delivered to units or b) collected at stores. This would be followed by a widely notified switch over date, documentation on the care and maintenance of the new kit (lessons from the single boot rollout). The night before change over, have a pre drafted A9 updated published.
    So.Pretty much how we did the last DPM changeover.With the exception of a user maintenance awareness program. I do remember some units having problems getting sufficient DPM shirts initially and being given permission to wear the OG shirt with the DPM trousers until deliveries/issues caught up. Also there being insufficient rank marking available.But other than that A9 amendments were rolled out weeks before changeover and the date was set with no major issues.

    This way we don't have a prolonged period of multiple patterns in use, we don't have people coming back from overseas with new kit not being allowed to wear it while also (potentially) being told they cannot be issued replacement for old DPM.
    Yeah.That has been a snag in the past and also now. I know some lads just back from overseas whose Scouts are knackered from hard use and poor maintenance(not their fault when they don't know how) who have been refused a re-issue. That might change once the rollout is fully complete but seeing as we are now wearing Scouts everyday (after a serious flip flopping from the brass) it has put those lads in a shitty situation in that they have no choice but to wear messed up boots everyday because they have nothing else!!

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  • ODIN
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    Originally posted by apod View Post

    Once they were in service it's just a question of changing the pattern.

    What lessons are you thinking of?? How to procure better or how to improve the uniform??
    Both really, along with how to roll out and change over in a timely and effective manner too. In my mind, ideally, you'd have every soldier sized and measured up prior to issuing, with an initial scale of issue being packed with correct sizes by stores staff and either a) delivered to units or b) collected at stores. This would be followed by a widely notified switch over date, documentation on the care and maintenance of the new kit (lessons from the single boot rollout). The night before change over, have a pre drafted A9 updated published.

    This way we don't have a prolonged period of multiple patterns in use, we don't have people coming back from overseas with new kit not being allowed to wear it while also (potentially) being told they cannot be issued replacement for old DPM.

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  • apod
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    Originally posted by ODIN View Post

    If Irish Pattern DPM is going to be reviewed in the coming years, is procurement of new design items like "Ranger Trousers" a good use of funds? Also, the procurement of NS-DPM recently should have been treated as a trial run for the larger scale project over the horizon. What lessons were learned I wonder.
    Once they were in service it's just a question of changing the pattern.

    What lessons are you thinking of?? How to procure better or how to improve the uniform??

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  • ODIN
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    Originally posted by spider pig View Post
    TAC trousers isn’t happening now with the exception of a small group. It’ll be a few years before bigger majority get them
    If Irish Pattern DPM is going to be reviewed in the coming years, is procurement of new design items like "Ranger Trousers" a good use of funds? Also, the procurement of NS-DPM recently should have been treated as a trial run for the larger scale project over the horizon. What lessons were learned I wonder.

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  • spider pig
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    TAC trousers isn’t happening now with the exception of a small group. It’ll be a few years before bigger majority get them

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  • apod
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    Rollout of some of the new items of kit is real slow at present.

    No sign of the Tactical trousers/belt/gloves or subdued flashes. Light OP/Bks Boots are later in the year but IMHO can't come fast enough.

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  • na grohmiti
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    The idea fairy strikes again.

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  • apod
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    Of course not.That would make sense. 2.5 Cm below the highest point of the shoulder seam.

    That might work with the smock or older shirts,but you will need to attach soft velcro first,but there is no way that the Bicep pocket velcro on the UBACS or new shirt is 2.5 Cm below the highest point of the shoulder seam.Are we expected to sew on a velcro backed badge ABOVE the shirt/UBACS pocket when both items already have a velcro panel designed to fit your badges too??

    Seriously.Who thinks these things up?
    Last edited by apod; 2 February 2021, 20:12.

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
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    2/ Issued approved Subdued Unit flashes approved for wear. To be worn on DPM smock,shirt and UBACS.
    I assume where they can be attached ?
    As in there is Velcro ?

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  • apod
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    Admin Instruction A9 updated.

    1/ Boots Operational Brown now authorised for wear "As ordered". (Boots black Operational still authorised for wear (for now)by those who have not been issued an alternative IE PDF Inductees/ AR pers)

    2/ Issued approved Subdued Unit flashes approved for wear. To be worn on DPM smock,shirt and UBACS.

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  • apod
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Without a pen pocket people will resort to hanging pens on rank sliders instead...
    Indeed.Which looks shit. Honestly I just don't get why all our outer Garments(tops) can't have a similar pocket layout. Except for the stupid field dressing pocket on right forearm of the new smock and waterproof jacket.Get rid of those. No need.

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  • na grohmiti
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    Without a pen pocket people will resort to hanging pens on rank sliders instead...

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  • apod
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    Originally posted by Hobo hunter View Post
    Personally I’d prefer the extra pocket over the slight annoyance of a rogue pen, and if pen pockets are absolutely necessary (which they’re not) put them where other nations are putting them ie: the forearm, or go even further and mimic a shirt designed by nations with a much better r/d than the defence forces.
    I think we were both in agreement but didn't realise it. My argument is exactly that. Give us two Bicep pockets for bulkier items(if not for symmetry) but KEEP a pen pocket also.My suggestion is the same.Lower sleeve. That might upset the "suns out,guns out" crew so an alternative is a pen pocket INSIDE the bicep pocket.

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  • Hobo hunter
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
    What happens when you put a pen in a NORMAL sleeve pocket?? It moves around.That's what. Jamming into you at all the wrong angles and making it harder to get out quickly when you need it.
    Personally I’d prefer the extra pocket over the slight annoyance of a rogue pen, and if pen pockets are absolutely necessary (which they’re not) put them where other nations are putting them ie: the forearm, or go even further and mimic a shirt designed by nations with a much better r/d than the defence forces.

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