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  • I'm not sure that tendering is quite the obstacle that some suggest - we somehow manage to buy stuff without tendering all the time (RC-135, P-8, E-7 Wedgetail), and the NS bought the fourth P60 with no pre-contracted option-to-buy or tender: they were offered it by Appledore, thought it was a good plan and bought it. No one took the Government to court over it, and with €80million at stake, any of the European yards would have thrown a hissy fit if they had any grounds to.

    It would be very easy to call a boot buy a UOR - if you blokes have no boots then it's urgent, and it's certainly an operational requirement to be able to walk on non-carpeted surfaces....
    Last edited by ropebag; 2 July 2019, 19:09.

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    • Originally posted by pym View Post
      Regarding tagging on to orders - are the DF hampered at all by the requirements to tender? I mean if that was the case, it would at least seem polite to say as much.

      Regarding things like JW... It does seem odd that the DF can deploy on NATO lead missions, but not NATO lead exercises... At least if they include bang bang elements - given that they have participated in things like Combined Endeavour.

      Actually, maybe another poster was right and the problem is all in the titles - ropebag, can you arrange for JW to be retitled into something more expedient for our situation, something like "Non-aligned shooty bang bang exercise that is not indicative of any wavering of Ireland's oft referenced, but functionally meaningless, tradition of neutrality 19-2."
      Absolutely nothing to stop deploying on exercises, once we have signed the SOFAs

      Except DoD and Money

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      • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
        its Mil-to-Mil at Colonel level. thats my source anyway, theres a MOD-DOD link, and knowing the byzantine nature of DOD-DF relations there's some co-ordination on the UK side
        Its all well and good talking Colonel to Colonel, but when a GOC needs to ask low ranking civvies in the DOD with makeyuppy jobs to loan a tent to a community group, you can bet that there is no prospect of jumping on a on the likes of a boot tender at the last minute. You also need to remember that the DF doesn't get to buy its own clothes. It all goes through the office of government procurement.....

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        • A group of P.A's just returned from Exercise Guardian Angel in Spain and that was a NATO exercise. Pics up on IKON this week.
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • New DF & AGS tender issued
            https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/pu.../publictenders

            DF wise:
            Boot lightweight multi-role Brown
            Lightweight safety boot Brown for Arty units
            Flying boot AC
            Flame Retardant Safety Boot Black for NS
            Operational Leather Boot Brown for ARW
            SD boot black other ranks
            SD Boot Brown Officers
            SD court shoe black other ranks
            SD court shoe Brown Officers

            Closing date 23/9/19

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            • I don't see why the ARW need a different operational boot to everyone else's operational boot...
              'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
              'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
              Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
              He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
              http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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              • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                I don't see why the ARW need a different operational boot to everyone else's operational boot...
                New DF & AGS tender issued
                https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/pu.../publictenders

                DF wise:
                Boot lightweight multi-role Brown
                Lightweight safety boot Brown for Arty units
                Flying boot AC
                Flame Retardant Safety Boot Black for NS
                Operational Leather Boot Brown for ARW
                SD boot black other ranks
                SD Boot Brown Officers
                SD court shoe black other ranks
                SD court shoe Brown Officers

                Closing date 23/9/19
                Why cant the Naval Service (less than 1,000 people) be the same brown as everyone else (Army, Air Corps, ARW). It would be a hell of a lot cheaper and more uniform across the entire DF!

                Sure that would make sense so it wont happen!

                https://www.stripes.com/news/navy-co...dates-1.451147

                "“They want uniforms that are comfortable, lightweight, breathable … and they want fewer of them,” he said.

                Black-leather safety boots will remain standard for the green camouflage uniform, but commanding officers may authorize the optional wear of the Navy certified desert-tan or coyote-brown, rough-side-out leather non-safety boots when safety boots are not required.
                Last edited by TangoSierra; 3 July 2019, 21:08.

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                • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                  I don't see why the ARW need a different operational boot to everyone else's operational boot...
                  Speshul.

                  Actually, it doesn't look like anyone else is get an 'operational' boot, everyone else just gets a 'lightweight, multi-role boot' or a safety boot.

                  I would put good odds on the lightweight boot being some cheap and cheerful thing that's fine for mooching around the range and pacing the office floor, but somewhat less than ideal for people lugging 40kg of gear + rifle up a mountain in the dark, in February.

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                  • I had that thought myself...
                    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                    • Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                      I don't see why the ARW need a different operational boot to everyone else's operational boot...
                      Strange that they making them wear issue boots!

                      Originally posted by TangoSierra View Post
                      Why cant the Naval Service (less than 1,000 people) be the same brown as everyone else (Army, Air Corps, ARW). It would be a hell of a lot cheaper and more uniform across the entire DF!

                      Sure that would make sense so it wont happen!

                      https://www.stripes.com/news/navy-co...dates-1.451147
                      Because they need to be fire retardant

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                      • Completely different needs from a boot used in the NS. They have always had different boots to the rest of the DF.

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                        • Originally posted by DeV View Post


                          Because they need to be fire retardant
                          Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                          Completely different needs from a boot used in the NS. They have always had different boots to the rest of the DF.
                          Your arguements are invalid.

                          What about Aircrew, Vehicle crew, Infantry in Riot scenario with petrol bombs


                          Oh look, they also come in brown too! Imagine that
                          http://www.militarybootsdirect.com/b...s-340-des.html


                          These boots are constructed of Nomex Flame Resistant that will provide a protective layer against flame and fire hazards.

                          The 340 DES is also Army Combat Uniform Approved, Army Flight Approved, and Army Combat Vehicle Approved.

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                          • Big difference between fire retardant and fire proof

                            I don’t see any navy (worldwide) going about their daily business in Fire Brigade style boots

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                            • Why cant the Naval Service (less than 1,000 people) be the same brown as everyone else (Army, Air Corps, ARW). It would be a hell of a lot cheaper and more uniform across the entire DF!

                              Sure that would make sense so it wont happen!
                              Because a brown boot would look really stooopid when worn with a Navy,blue and gey DPM pattern.
                              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                              • Originally posted by apod View Post
                                Because a brown boot would look really stooopid when worn with a Navy,blue and gey DPM pattern.
                                And the current blue

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