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  • #61
    Originally posted by apod View Post
    Love to know how they are fairing up in the Leb.
    Not issued in the leb yet.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by northie View Post
      Not issued in the leb yet.
      Were they not sent out last month??
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by apod View Post
        We still haven't dealt with the elephant in the room though.One pair of boots that is supposed to do you for EVERYTHING??? Jesus.Even when all we had were the old 24B's you got two pairs of 'em!
        Because the DoD/DF don't give a flying fcuk about the troops and nobody has the spine to stand up for troop welfare?
        I knew a simple soldier boy.....
        Who grinned at life in empty joy,
        Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
        And whistled early with the lark.

        In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
        With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
        He put a bullet through his brain.
        And no one spoke of him again.

        You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
        Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
        Sneak home and pray you'll never know
        The hell where youth and laughter go.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by apod View Post
          Were they not sent out last month??
          If they were, they must be sitting in a container in Beirut because the troops don't have them.

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          • #65
            Just heard from a lad out there that the Scouts are to be issued later this week - 3 months late. Take that info as you want, just passing on in good faith.
            I knew a simple soldier boy.....
            Who grinned at life in empty joy,
            Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
            And whistled early with the lark.

            In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
            With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
            He put a bullet through his brain.
            And no one spoke of him again.

            You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
            Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
            Sneak home and pray you'll never know
            The hell where youth and laughter go.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Buck View Post
              Just heard from a lad out there that the Scouts are to be issued later this week - 3 months late. Take that info as you want, just passing on in good faith.
              Same troops were also told they would be issued in form up, then the MRE, then the first month and so on.

              In fairness, the troops did get a fairly decent OD kit bag that seems to be generally accepted as a great bit of kit. Not sure if it is for general issue

              A very senior officer recently told the troops (in 2-45) that they would also be with them before the end of August.

              Yet here we are.

              Far more important things to address than boots to be honest. But if you can't do the little things right etc etc.

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              • #67
                Good ballhop going round that J4 DHL'd 400 pairs of boots out to the Leb and when the lads opened the boxes they found Black steel toe cap boots!!

                Seriously though.The lads forming up for the 113th have been told they are getting them during form up along with the new kit bag.(Black, same as the EOD team bags and supposed to be a monster)
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • #68
                  Off topic, but any pics of the kit bag?
                  I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                  Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                  Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                  And whistled early with the lark.

                  In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                  With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                  He put a bullet through his brain.
                  And no one spoke of him again.

                  You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                  Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                  Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                  The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Buck View Post
                    Off topic, but any pics of the kit bag?
                    None at present.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Chuck View Post
                      Same troops were also told they would be issued in form up, then the MRE, then the first month and so on.

                      In fairness, the troops did get a fairly decent OD kit bag that seems to be generally accepted as a great bit of kit. Not sure if it is for general issue

                      A very senior officer recently told the troops (in 2-45) that they would also be with them before the end of August.

                      Yet here we are.

                      Far more important things to address than boots to be honest. But if you can't do the little things right etc etc.
                      Said kit bag is NOT for general issue. Like the Scout it will be issued to overseas only as limited quantities have been bought. Reports seem to be good on the kit bag, they're rated for 30 kgs or so, haven't heard of a burst one yet.

                      Bucks post is on the money, boots are to be issued within the next week according to those in the know. Just remember that getting stuff to the Leb isn't that simple, anyone who's been there in a logs role will tell you that when stuff finally arrives in Beirut it then languishes for weeks in customs. Its something like 16 working days. There is a new trusted importer exporter scheme going to reduce this time but that doesn't apply to goods going to UNIFIL.

                      The whole boot shenanigans has been caused by delay and prevarication at the very top level going back to late last year about what colour to go for, which delayed the signing of the contract, which in turn delayed the production and has had a cascading effect down the line to the troops on the ground.

                      Just remember when outdoor shops or their distributors order boots, they don't order a few thousand random pairs for delivery next month. Before a product is launched for 2019, a order will have gone in for rolling deliveries across an entire year in q2/q3 2018 at latest. The manufacturer will plan production accordingly. Throwing in a random order for a few thousand boots disrupts this process as other orders need to be filled so the manufacturer will not be putting in a special effort.

                      Remember a few thousand boots is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. Its a what an outdoor shop with multiple branches might sell over the course of a year. Unless your in the tens of thousands order book, changes are NOT going to be made to the production schedule for you. So few in the DF seem to grasp this. There are plenty from Colonels to privates who believe because we wear a uniform that we are special and manufacturers will rush for our business. We're not. The planning and tendering process needs to take account for this.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Buck View Post
                        Off topic, but any pics of the kit bag?
                        https://www.seyntex.com/en/our-produ...rrying-systems

                        Have a look at the one on this page. Imagine a stripped down less molle'd version and essentially you have the new kit bag. Same manufacturer.

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                        • #72
                          Said kit bag is NOT for general issue AT THE MOMENT Like the Scout it will be issued to overseas only AT THE MOMENT as limited quantities have been bought. Reports seem to be good on the kit bag, they're rated for 30 kgs or so, haven't heard of a burst one yet.
                          Fixed that for you. CQ in Bde stores has told us that the bag is replacing the "school bag" alongside a new carry on bag that can take your helmet.Scouts to go on general issue in 2019.
                          UNIFIL lads forming up with the 113th still got issued Black Light Op boots though. Weird.
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • #73
                            "School bag" - I can't wait to see it gone.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by northie View Post
                              https://www.seyntex.com/en/our-produ...rrying-systems

                              Have a look at the one on this page. Imagine a stripped down less molle'd version and essentially you have the new kit bag. Same manufacturer.
                              That certainly looks like a sturdy bag. Hopefully this cuts down on "buy cheap, buy twice"
                              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
                                That certainly looks like a sturdy bag. Hopefully this cuts down on "buy cheap, buy twice"
                                Its central zip opening as opposed to what is in the picture. Foldaway shoulder straps that can be packed away during transit. Everything has been stripped down to save costs. but there are two external zipped pockets, two non zipped external pockets (pointless) and there's five internal pockets as well, four zipped and one plastic one for presumably keeping wet or damp items in. It simple. It works.

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