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  • #16
    Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
    So now we would have to share rank markings and be reliant on the previous appointment holder to hand over theirs?
    I was being a bit tongue in cheek
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    • #17
      Genuine question - I was always used to looking at cap-badge, or stable belt to have an idea of what skills an individual I didn’t know might have - REME, RAMC, Signals, Driver etc.

      Is there any way of doing that at present in the Army, or would these proposed flashes provide that information?
      'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
      'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
      Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
      He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
      http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
        Genuine question - I was always used to looking at cap-badge, or stable belt to have an idea of what skills an individual I didn’t know might have - REME, RAMC, Signals, Driver etc.

        Is there any way of doing that at present in the Army, or would these proposed flashes provide that information?
        The subdued flashes would tell you the unit they are from.

        There is specialist qualifications (for DPMs) for parachute wings, EOD etc

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        • #19
          I've seen Mr. Protac is doing Subdued "Zap Badges" on his site that include some unit flashes already. If we don't want to go down the full flash route would a Tactical recognition flash work?
          Last edited by apod; 1 March 2020, 15:02.
          What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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          • #20
            I think subdued unit flashes are a good idea.....they promote unit cohesion and a identity, especially with personnel from multiple units together.

            However, as Apod has said, the real issues are putting limits on what should be worn on dpm and updating regs to match. Decent uniform design would help too, instead of trying to re-invent the wheel for Irish purposes.
            Last edited by X-RayOne; 28 November 2019, 10:24.
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            And the warrior whispers back "I am the storm".

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            • #21
              RDF dont get UBACS anyway so divisive in an inf and cav unit .
              "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

              "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by trellheim View Post
                RDF dont get UBACS anyway so divisive in an inf and cav unit .
                Doesn't stop them wearing them though does it?? Just like the Boonie hat and Barracks jacket. And remember that the issue of BFO pieces of "must fill up with badges" velcro is not just confined to the UBACS now the new shirt is coming on stream.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • #23
                  Subdued unit flashes should be available for individual issue from late March or early April. No change to Regs to allow for their wear yet

                  One thing occurred to me. Are they IRR treated? No point in having a DPM,IRR treated uniform and then sticking a BFO aiming patch on yourself!!! Same goes for the ones being made up by some units already.Bet they never thought of that and I guarantee the local embroidery shop doesn't do IRR or even knows what it is.
                  Last edited by apod; 29 January 2020, 15:39.
                  "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                  • #24
                    Scale of issue for the new flashes will be three per person going off the unit establishment. Velcro backed. NO sub unit flashes only DCOS SP approved Unit badges. Sub unit breaching this policy to get a cease and desist order. A9 to be amended accordingly.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by apod View Post
                      Scale of issue for the new flashes will be three per person going off the unit establishment. Velcro backed. NO sub unit flashes only DCOS SP approved Unit badges. Sub unit breaching this policy to get a cease and desist order. A9 to be amended accordingly.
                      A step backwards in my opinion.

                      Our units are tiny. I do not think there is a need to be able to identify units in DPM

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                      • #26
                        As a member of the unit that brought them in originally (20 Bn) and the second sub-unit to get them , its a pure vanity project . Where are RDF members to wear them - sew them onto smock ? Are we going back to that ? Brassards might work lol
                        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                        • #27
                          Be interesting to see if we will have to have them on the smock. We never used to have to wear a unit flash on the old OG Combat Jacket. Just rank and name at home and National flag and UN Flash when overseas.

                          But yeah if we do it will mean getting velcro added on. Remember also that some units have different shapes and sizes for their unit flashes. The tailors are going to love that. A simple solution would have been to factory attach a standard size square of velcro on the right sleeve. Big enough to accomodate any size or shape flash. Or Better still standardise the pockets on the sleeves throughout all our garments(Smock/Shirt/UBACS) and have the same velcro panels on all. Uniformity.There you go.

                          Speaking to a Bks tailor the other day and he is dreading this. Most people still have the old style shirts and it doesn't matter what smock you have as neither old or new has velcro on it for the flashes and lets not forget the BKs Jacket. Take a Garrison with 800-1000 odd pers in it and that's a lot of sewing!!!
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • #28
                            Yep - I remember back in the very early days the brassard solved all these problems as you could just change it from outer garment to outer garment . The problem with that now is that there are no epaulettes to hold the brassard on shirt, smock or UBACS or walking out jacket
                            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                            • #29
                              Armbands. As used by private security, with their laminated licences held within.
                              Joking aside, is there a case for a fob type item which would hold insignia that would attach to a button on a sleeve or chest pocket? Or have all pockets gone velcro?
                              For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                                Armbands. As used by private security, with their laminated licences held within.
                                Joking aside, is there a case for a fob type item which would hold insignia that would attach to a button on a sleeve or chest pocket? Or have all pockets gone velcro?
                                New issue DPM shirts don't have chest pockets. Neither do the new pattern smocks.... sleeve pockets, technically for home duties, unit flash would be on the incorrect sleeve, as the shirt button pocket is on the left sleeve. New pattern DPM shirt does have a velcro panel with blanking plate on the right sleeve. No comparable velcro panel on either the old or new pattern smocks... so on the face of it, would only be possible to wear a subdued unit flash in shirt order (on a new pattern shirt)
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