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  • #31
    Whats the patent got to do with anything its already illegal to copy the uniform ? (Defence Act )

    My sole care here apart from I think its not needed , its out of my control . My people get a decent initial issue is all I really care about - nothing else really matters.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    • #32
      Originally posted by trellheim View Post
      Whats the patent got to do with anything its already illegal to copy the uniform ? (Defence Act )

      My sole care here apart from I think its not needed , its out of my control . My people get a decent initial issue is all I really care about - nothing else really matters.
      It’s only illegal in Ireland and that doesn’t stop companies doing so

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      • #33
        Originally posted by apod View Post

        That's because it WAS a vanity project. The NS Camo scheme serves no purpose.It blends with nothing. Purely corporate branding and NS members have gone on record in print admitting same.
        The proposed Multi terrain pattern is being brought in for practical reasons.
        1/ Transitional pattern.Works fairly well in both wooded and arid regions.Not 100% but just enough in each environment.
        2/ Lighter colour. Retains less heat.
        3/ Not widely available and patent restricted if they go with an Irish developed pattern which aids security
        4/ IFF.
        5/ Cost effective in that you only need one uniform for different A.O's. (Look at the ECAT/NEO Mission the Wing went on recently. They deployed in the Multicams they already had. No need to issue special one off uniforms)
        You know i could take out the words Multicam and replace it with NS Camo and it would be just as convincing.
        1/ Transitional pattern.Works fairly well in both upper and lower deck .Not 100% but just enough in each environment.
        2/ Lighter colour. Retains less heat.
        3/ Not widely available and patent restricted if they go with an Irish developed pattern which aids security
        4/ IFF. No more will they be condused with Customs/Fire Brigade/any factory or warehouse using Snickers navy 2 piece workwear
        5/ Cost effective in that you only need one uniform for different A.O's. (Lads out in the med and trips to asia and south Atlantic struggled with the heavy dark Navy operational uniform). Old operational uniform when used by those in certain overseas mission HQ was the same as what the janitor wore.

        It just doesn't strike me as high priority at a time when the Army no longer have the numbers to deploy full units overseas.
        For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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        • #34
          Obviously don't agree with the above but.. you know...
          For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

            You know i could take out the words Multicam and replace it with NS Camo and it would be just as convincing.
            1/ Transitional pattern.Works fairly well in both upper and lower deck .Not 100% but just enough in each environment.
            2/ Lighter colour. Retains less heat.
            3/ Not widely available and patent restricted if they go with an Irish developed pattern which aids security
            4/ IFF. No more will they be condused with Customs/Fire Brigade/any factory or warehouse using Snickers navy 2 piece workwear
            5/ Cost effective in that you only need one uniform for different A.O's. (Lads out in the med and trips to asia and south Atlantic struggled with the heavy dark Navy operational uniform). Old operational uniform when used by those in certain overseas mission HQ was the same as what the janitor wore.

            It just doesn't strike me as high priority at a time when the Army no longer have the numbers to deploy full units overseas.
            Oh Jesus Christ. Really?? Those are the justifications for developing an unneeded pattern?? Seriously?? So we are comparing the issue of a new pattern optimised to work both on Island and in Hot and dusty climes with a view to better concealing our troops within those environments as required with a pattern that serves no purpose only than to look different from the Civis. Does the NS inferiority complex really extend that far?? Come on. Oh and BTW I am on th record here as saying that I agreed with the need to modernise the NS operational uniform and bring it into the 21st Century. It's the NSV pattern I have a problem with.It's a waste of money that serves no practical purpose. The new DF Camo pattern will.

            As for priorities. Ask anybody who has worn the current DPM in a Lebanese summer,Liberian Wet season or currently Mali if they think a lighter pattern should be a priority or not.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • #36
              And I'll respond with ask anyone who had to wear Navy Combats in an engine room last summer (or any summer) if a lighter pattern was a priority or not.
              My point is, while RACO are complaining that the military college is short 30 captains, this is waay down the priority list. It has not even featured in discussion on any of the social media where military folk communicate, including here. However the Navy Combats was well flagged. Saw zero mention of it as a priority in any CoDF submission, Though I did not read all of them.

              It just seems to have come out of nowhere and now people are on the defensive saying it is more important than next weeks dinner!
              For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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              • #37
                The NS GOT a lighter uniform for the Med. It just wasn't NSV DPM. Are you going to accept,at all,the fact that I am on record here of saying that I agreed with the point that the Navy needed an updated cut of operational uniform.In FR Material and lighter and more breathable??And that I am on record for saying that my only issue is that the NSV pattern is a vanity project that serves no practical military purpose other than corporate branding?Than you give me that?? No? Yes?

                The navy combats were well flagged because the NS had to conduct a campaign to justify the money needed to buy them.Simple as.
                Has it occurred to you that sometimes,just sometimes, Military folk might decide to keep things quiet regarding future developments for various reasons?? Even if they know why something is justified??And why the hell would you make a submission to CODF on what colour uniform we wear? That's not exactly their remit is it?

                Yes I agree it has come out of nowhere as far as the public domain goes but this has been brewing for well over 12 Months mow inside the wider DF and I remember as far back as 2014 being told by a buddy in a dark green beret that his crowd were going Multicam within 5 Years and the rest of the DF would follow soon after. So far he has been on the money.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • #38
                  Calm down Sir. I'm playing devils advocate here.
                  For now, everything hangs on the CoDF report, still possibly 2 weeks from the Ministers desk.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                    Calm down Sir. I'm playing devils advocate here.
                    I know mate but it really is defending the indefensible.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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