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  • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

    Pool eye ware is about the most unhygienic thing I can think of. Pool issue hearing protection is bad, but considering an eye infection can actually lead to site loss, I think I'll invest in my own eye ware in the future.
    Ours is pooled but we get the same Everytime and I can guarantee that

    1000%
    Last edited by DeV; 27 October 2022, 18:43.

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    • I'm just remembering how much sweat built up on the seal of my goggles... when I was in a flippin panhard! Pool issue of PPE is a no-no. Have they learnt nothing from Army Deafness?
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Originally posted by ODIN View Post

        Well for some! I was never issued them.
        Neither was I. And at the early stages of the USP I'm service, and open to correction here, it was required to wear protective eyewear?
        "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post

          Pool and there should be enough for all
          Absolutely no fookin way should eye goggles be pool issue, for hygiene reasons. Should be on personal issue
          "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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          • 2023. Nearly there. Hopefully the tenders go out in Q1 as planned.Be very interesting to see what items of kit are staying. What’s being discontinued and what’s being altered in terms of design. One things for sure. The smock needs to be revisited.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • The new smock or the old smock?
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                The new smock or the old smock?
                The new one.
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • I know in the past you mentioned the issues you had with it, but what do you think requires changing at this stage? Is it even a practical combat jacket any more with the increasing used of plate carriers, battle vest etc.
                  Other forces seem to have gone back to the old style "combat jacket" as opposed to "smock" it appears.
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                  For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                  • I believe we still have a need for non thermal layer that sits in between the UBACS and the waterproofs. The smock in it's last two incarnations was too long and incomapatable with GSBA and now is too short and no good for protecting you from the elements. My personal choice would be to wadi the smock. Separate the Fleece from its softshell outer and move back to a more layered system similar to what ECWCS/PCU/VKBO. Different layers for different tasks.
                    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                    • Originally posted by apod View Post
                      I believe we still have a need for non thermal layer that sits in between the UBACS and the waterproofs. The smock in it's last two incarnations was too long and incomapatable with GSBA and now is too short and no good for protecting you from the elements. My personal choice would be to wadi the smock. Separate the Fleece from its softshell outer and move back to a more layered system similar to what ECWCS/PCU/VKBO. Different layers for different tasks.
                      “non thermal layer” ? So like the smock (but not current design)?

                      like the Arktis stow away shirt maybe?
                      https://store.arktis.co.uk/collectio...32424862122039




                      the basic layers the British Army have appear to be:
                      T-shirt
                      Micro fleece base layer thermal shirt
                      Lightweight jacket (this to us is a shirt)
                      micro fleece mod-layer thermal smock
                      Windproof smock

                      UBACS is in the mix obviously too
                      Last edited by DeV; 20 December 2022, 12:02.

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                      • First off we need to stop copying our nearest neighbours and start thinking for ourselves.Look more at Europe and the states.We need a jacket that is rain resistant and dries fast which can be thrown over a UBACS or norgie. Compatible with IMBAS.
                        Last edited by apod; 20 December 2022, 20:25.
                        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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