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  • Rocinante
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    delete please.
    Last edited by Rocinante; 28 December 2023, 05:33.

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  • northie
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    Originally posted by apod View Post

    At least they DID a refurb! Unlike the GS86 which was allowed to be issued long past it's use by date. Yeah. Good suit. Need a few bells and whistles to make it more user friendly. Top of my list to add? Pre fixed felt patches for Detector paper placement. Takes out the guess work for troops who may have less time in the IPE than others to figure out where the patches go. Thigh pockets would be handy and velcro on the sleeves for fixing IR Combat ID patches.

    As for the RESI? Avon FM 50 or 53. Either or. Hands down. Just don't fall into the British GSR trap. Total dog poop.




    Any "Developments" should be part of DFCCS from the get go. If we get what I think we are getting then DFCCS will be a step change from what we have now. Educating both Leadership (On what can be worn and how) and troops (When and when not to wear and how to maintain) will be vital though or we may as well just stay with what we have now. Not good enough to just Issue a TI and leave it up to individuals to read and interpret it. Everybody need to sign in to mandatory briefs from the suppliers on the system, it's employment and how to look after it. All ranks both PDF and AR.

    I think the big thing that DF will wring its hands over is whether to go with a standard 40mm iso threaded canister (STANAG) or to go the proprietary route ala the Clip on/Bayonet Cartridges of the GSR or FM-50. Whilst undisputable easier for the end user, it potentially locks you into a single supplier, whereas theoretically you can source the current 40mm threaded cartridges from a wider range of sources.

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  • DeV
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    Along with Dress Admin Instructions that are actually though out and a scale of issue that involves looking at same

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  • apod
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    A decent suit for its day, but the protection game has moved on. They've been attempting to replace those for a considerable amount of time. Likewise, the FM-12 refurb kicks the can down the road for another few years ref a respirator replacement.
    At least they DID a refurb! Unlike the GS86 which was allowed to be issued long past it's use by date. Yeah. Good suit. Need a few bells and whistles to make it more user friendly. Top of my list to add? Pre fixed felt patches for Detector paper placement. Takes out the guess work for troops who may have less time in the IPE than others to figure out where the patches go. Thigh pockets would be handy and velcro on the sleeves for fixing IR Combat ID patches.

    As for the RESI? Avon FM 50 or 53. Either or. Hands down. Just don't fall into the British GSR trap. Total dog poop.


    Ref the DFCCS, it would appear from the tender documents that the supplier must tender the entire system and one full system is selected. So it might leave it open for further developments to take place later, but it will be "later"
    Any "Developments" should be part of DFCCS from the get go. If we get what I think we are getting then DFCCS will be a step change from what we have now. Educating both Leadership (On what can be worn and how) and troops (When and when not to wear and how to maintain) will be vital though or we may as well just stay with what we have now. Not good enough to just Issue a TI and leave it up to individuals to read and interpret it. Everybody need to sign in to mandatory briefs from the suppliers on the system, it's employment and how to look after it. All ranks both PDF and AR.


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  • northie
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    Originally posted by apod View Post
    That’s a Gen 1 Karcher CBRN suit.
    Probably part of a Demo for the families on swearing in day at the Robot Factory.
    A decent suit for its day, but the protection game has moved on. They've been attempting to replace those for a considerable amount of time. Likewise, the FM-12 refurb kicks the can down the road for another few years ref a respirator replacement.

    Ref the DFCCS, it would appear from the tender documents that the supplier must tender the entire system and one full system is selected. So it might leave it open for further developments to take place later, but it will be "later"

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  • apod
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    A certain DFTC based unit have started issuing Seyntex licence made CRYE Mid loft Jackets.

    The lining is POLARTEC Alpha Direct, Designed as so called "Active insulation". Sweat wicking insulation that doesn't hold water. There s a couple of good videos on Youtube explaining the material.

    Microfleece lined stand collar. Rollaway hood. Thumb slots in sleeve cuffs. Velcro panels on biceps for badging. Multicam so can be worn as an outer.

    Tenner on the bet we get something similar as part of DFCCS based on their reports.

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  • apod
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    That’s a Gen 1 Karcher CBRN suit.
    Probably part of a Demo for the families on swearing in day at the Robot Factory.

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  • na grohmiti
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    JAY03034 by Óglaigh na hÉireann, on Flickr

    Anyone care to comment on the guy in the middle?

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  • The real Jack
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    SSD piece on new camo

    Will the NS have to make a new Interior Ministry Camo to keep up?
    Although the pattern has been kept under wraps, photos have recently been made public of the new Defence Forces camouflage pattern which will soon replace the four-color DPM, in service since 2000. Although called Disruptive Pattern Material, like the old British national pattern, the two patterns don't resemble one another. In Irish, the Defence Forces

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  • DeV
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    Originally posted by ODIN View Post

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    Why are we again trying to reinvent the wheel when an established international system for Military clothing already exists?
    We aren’t

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  • ODIN
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    Originally posted by trellheim View Post
    D Ord came and presented to RDF ORA officers day saturday last and gave an honest brief with samples . Looks good . That sizing thing "Get measured" I think is a good idea fairy job .... Had to change out too many pieces of kit down the years for people . That's process though - but the uniform looks the right way to go
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  • trellheim
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    D Ord came and presented to RDF ORA officers day saturday last and gave an honest brief with samples . Looks good . That sizing thing "Get measured" I think is a good idea fairy job .... Had to change out too many pieces of kit down the years for people . That's process though - but the uniform looks the right way to go

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  • apod
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    Originally posted by northie View Post

    If memory serves correctly, then the same company were disqualified from the Nordic Combat Uniform trials as their garment failed to meet waterproofing standards after a number of wash cycles.
    Two different company's. The one disqualified from the NCU competition used to have the tender for our operational uniform. The other still has the tender for the squids seaweed cam and the current SD tender.

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  • northie
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    Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post

    The final point is a particular with a Northern Ireland based uniform supplier. I got 2 shirts the same size from them on one occasion. When I laid one on top of the other there was an extra inch of fabric outlining the smaller of the 2. Same goes for hat sizes, I've worn hats at work or in the DF for the bones of 35 years, yet their 59 was too big for me, and their 58 sat too high on my head. If they win the tender the cut and pattern should remain unchanged for the duration of that contract, with no exceptions.
    If memory serves correctly, then the same company were disqualified from the Nordic Combat Uniform trials as their garment failed to meet waterproofing standards after a number of wash cycles.

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  • X-RayOne
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    Yes for the fleece.....common on a lot of higher quality mountaineering hardshell rain jackets. More comfy against the neck / chin. Particualry if zipper or face material in contact with skin.
    Personally hated the previous hood... was just bulky and uncomfortable when rolled up. Better to have a detachable version. But equally why have a hood? Between neck gaitor/ shemagh/headover (whatever your flavour!) fleeve cap and helmet whats the need? If its lashing rain put on your wet gear and hood up.

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