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    I dunno! a few enthusiastic FCA / RDF gunners got too excited, on more than one occasion and added quite a bit of "lead" on the target, giving rise to swearing over the radio from the pilot and the poor eejit operating the drogue winch. One pilot was said to have called his winch operator "body armour", which allegedly prompted the man to hand in his notice as a winch operator. Gormo always had volunteers for parachuting ops but less so for gunnery. You can understand why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    I dunno! a few enthusiastic FCA / RDF gunners got too excited, on more than one occasion and added quite a bit of "lead" on the target, giving rise to swearing over the radio from the pilot and the poor eejit operating the drogue winch. One pilot was said to have called his winch operator "body armour", which allegedly prompted the man to hand in his notice as a winch operator. Gormo always had volunteers for parachuting ops but less so for gunnery. You can understand why.
    the oft used phrase..... I'm pulling it.....not pushing it... having expended a few rounds in the direction of the drougue myself I recall being told the object wasn't to hit the actual drogue but to register the hits on the telemetry carried in the drogue.... Whooosssh.. straight over my head,.. brain propgrammed to riddle it.... I catually doubt if I ever hit it.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Watched a L60 Bofors shoot in Gormo cut the wire

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    the oft used phrase..... I'm pulling it.....not pushing it... having expended a few rounds in the direction of the drougue myself I recall being told the object wasn't to hit the actual drogue but to register the hits on the telemetry carried in the drogue.... Whooosssh.. straight over my head,.. brain propgrammed to riddle it.... I catually doubt if I ever hit it.
    An easy mistake to make.
    "we don't want you to hit the target. Just try to aim as close as possible to it without actually touching it. Now in a real world situation of course we expect you to hit the target. If you don't you fail, but in this case, don't hit it. Any questions?"
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    The telemetry in the drogue sensed the overpressure from the bursting shells and/or the closeness of their passage near the drogue, by virtue of the disturbed air.

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    Sorry to see the Cessnas leave the fleet, definitely deserve a place in a museum for at least one

    An article from a French blog about the Cessnas, it talks about having the aircraft rigged to carry a FLIR ball; have seen pics of other 172s carry a ball, but never knew the AC were looking into it. Could be in this guys mind though...

    * https://translate.google.com/transla...2Fpage%2F10%2F

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Watched a L60 Bofors shoot in Gormo cut the wire
    57mm on Eithne had a 6 degree throw off programmed into it to stop that happening
    Time for another break I think......

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    The French gendarmerie use C182s fitted with FLIR balls and they patrol the borders with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Watched a L60 Bofors shoot in Gormo cut the wire
    2 AD gun crew in the early 1980's . All the other guns had just stopped firing and this was the final shot before at the target before we ceased fire.. I was one of the layers.

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    AC to operate stripped down versions of plane named after harry potter character

    http://soldiersystems.net/2019/07/02...t-named-draco/
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    Quote Originally Posted by recoil View Post
    2 AD gun crew in the early 1980's . All the other guns had just stopped firing and this was the final shot before at the target before we ceased fire.. I was one of the layers.
    Do you recall a Aer Lingus jet entering the area.? or have I gone la la from the concussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The real Jack View Post
    AC to operate stripped down versions of plane named after harry potter character

    http://soldiersystems.net/2019/07/02...t-named-draco/
    Well, that character and some real folk... I mean DOJ might be reluctant for AGS to adopt the name if they wind up with a PC-12 - their simulated reaction is ably demonstrated by the appropriate smilies below....


    1: Draco was the first democratic legislator, requested by the Athenian citizens to be a lawgiver for the city-state

    2: But the citizens were fully unaware that Draco would establish laws characterized by their harshness

    3: To this day, the adjective draconian refers to similarly unforgiving rules or laws, in Greek, English and other European languages.

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    Cant remember that year but aircraft were sometimes seen within the the arc of fire. I can remember reporting at least one airliner. I can remember being given binoculars to look out for stray aircraft when we were on the stationed on beach stopping access. One year the Puma helicopter came down the beach from Cock Lane direction( I was on the beach at the end of Cock lane and radioed or telephoned that it was on its way). It flew at about 20 feet off the ground then up over Ben Head and swooped down on the range. I think it was being used for parachute practice but took a detour to impress the gunners.

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    August AFM has a small article and picture in the News section on the retirement of the 172s. Irish Air Letter of July 2019 also noted that 172s 208 and 210 were still noted as being operational after the official June 21st retirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    Well, that character and some real folk... I mean DOJ might be reluctant for AGS to adopt the name if they wind up with a PC-12 - their simulated reaction is ably demonstrated by the appropriate smilies below....


    1: Draco was the first democratic legislator, requested by the Athenian citizens to be a lawgiver for the city-state

    2: But the citizens were fully unaware that Draco would establish laws characterized by their harshness

    3: To this day, the adjective draconian refers to similarly unforgiving rules or laws, in Greek, English and other European languages.
    Every day's a school day (origin of the word "draconian")
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    R203 retired today with 10,000 hours

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    It'll go another 10, 000. Corrosion is what usually kills them.

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    Hve the PC-12s been delivered yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    R203 retired today with 10,000 hours

    How can an airframe that old only have that many hours? Surely 203 & all the rest were the workhorses. It's the same age as myself, around since 1972. We are told that these were doing Target towing, CIT overwatch, parachute training, seal counting, along with a bit of gentle formation flying back in the day. There was a time when a team of 4 were regular attendees at airshows around the country. In 2002, the Cessna spent 39 hours alone, just doing inshore fisheries patrol. These are the aircraft newly qualified pilots used to get their flying hours up.
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    Well they haven’t had as many hours the last 10 years or so since the end of CIT which is what the bulk of their hours always was.

    Also remember a year ago there was 5 aircraft in service, originally 8 were purchased (and I think followed by at least 1 more as replacement). 4 of those 9 were written off in accidents (Lt Raymond Heery RIP)
    Last edited by DeV; 26th September 2019 at 12:59.

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    Averaging just over 4 hours per week since 1972. And that's cause for a photo op that mentions the word astonishing?

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    World's best kept Cessna 172s, treated like babies. If they actually flog them to the public, like they should, someone will get a bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    World's best kept Cessna 172s, treated like babies. If they actually flog them to the public, like they should, someone will get a bargain.
    What will happen to them?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    What will happen to them?
    You’d assume like most either donated to say DIT or Carlow IT and/or sold as seen

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    there are companies in the US that specialise in refitting older model 172s like these with EFIS screens, new spars, corrosion proofing and other updates and they find a ready market.

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