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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    there are companies in the US that specialise in refitting older model 172s like these with EFIS screens, new spars, corrosion proofing and other updates and they find a ready market.
    And then opposition TDs will ask why these relatively cheap old used aircraft were sold for very little by DoD and were subsequently sold at a higher price (omitting of course the expensive upgrades paid for by someone else)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    And then opposition TDs will ask why these relatively cheap old used aircraft were sold for very little by DoD and were subsequently sold at a higher price (omitting of course the expensive upgrades paid for by someone else)
    Well that's a given isn't it.

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    Clearly these people have never had to sell their old car to buy an other, only to see their old car on sale later on, for far more than they had sold it for, after the salesman fixed all that was wrong with it and gave it a proper clean...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    And then opposition TDs will ask why these relatively cheap old used aircraft were sold for very little by DoD and were subsequently sold at a higher price (omitting of course the expensive upgrades paid for by someone else)
    Just tell them the planes have been fitted with guns and bombs...
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    In fairness the Cessnas are very worn out, I'd be surprised if there is any point in spending any money on them from a commercial view, I have heard one whacky rumour about them all the same which I have given a credibility rating of 1 outta 10 [there is no zero outta 10] which is: the Garda wish to take them over to replace the Defender.
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    Some of the commercial schools such as AFTA in Cork would take them in a heartbeat, provided they got them for near nothing, of course. Compared to flying school trainers, the Air Corps Cessnas are immaculate. A lot of flying school aircraft are well battered compared to them. Cessnas are designed to have long lives so having ten thousand hours on them wouldnt be unusual. I know of one civvy one that reached 12,000 hours and had it's wings reskinned and was put back in service.

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    Remaining 5 retired yesterday with 63,578 hrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Remaining 5 retired yesterday with 63,578 hrs
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    Saw a pair of them low in close formation around Naas on Thursday. Sweet image, thanks lads. Great to see them flying with someone else in the future if the frames are that good.

    The intro of the PC12s seems to be one of the most 'black' programmes going lol No info on when they'll arrive, their status or even an updated picture. Definitely bound for whisper:Abbeyshrule:whisper

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    Shhh now.
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    Best of luck to them. I hope they go to good homes and arent wasted. I left enough sweat in them but learned a lot from them, too. Great aircraft and , bar the Alouettes, probably the most utility gained from one airframe in the Corps.

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    Reims Rocket FR172H Stand Down Ceremony

    "After 47 years of service to the state, the 5 remaining (of 9 total) Reims Rocket FR172H aircraft were stood down from service.
    The first 4 aircraft entered service on October 4th 1972 and had their last flight yesterday on October 4th 2019.

    Their reliability and consistency has been unmatched, and a testament to this was their fleet hours of 63,578 hours. These were clocked up carrying out various mission roles including border surveillance, explosive escorts, cash escorts, in-shore maritime surveillance, target towing, bog surveys, wildlife surveys, general transportation flights and even one air ambulance mission!

    Every pilot and technician had their 'favourite' aircraft and we were delighted to welcome all who had worked on the aircraft into Casement Aerodrome to celebrate this occasion.
    These aircraft will be replaced by 3 state of the art multi-role Pilatus PC-12NG Spectre aircraft capable of carrying out ISR missions, Air ambulance and logistics flights."


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    Equivalent to €280,000 each today. Money well spent.
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    Have the PC-12s been ordered yet? Does anybody know? I was looking for a Defender successor and found this: https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/s...-mpp/overview/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Have the PC-12s been ordered yet? Does anybody know? I was looking for a Defender successor and found this: https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/s...-mpp/overview/
    They were ordered a while back, think the first was meant to be in this quarter don't know if that's slipped or not.

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    So what's going to be the daily mission profile of the new aircraft? Clearly there are no vital domestic missions to be carried out, or else the Cessnas would have soldiered on until new aircraft arrived.

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    The Defender would carry out surveillance, if not the Garda helis. The Air Corps learnt from the Alouettes /Gazelles / Dauphins that you should establish a firm cut off date to remove an aircraft from circulation, as they could linger on in irregular service. Removing an aircraft from the fleet requires isolating and quarantining it's supply pool, transferring it's core pilot group to other aircraft, retraining techs on other aircraft and removing dedicated tooling from stores, as well as all the written and digital literature from the system, as well as securing the safe storage of all logbooks and records. There's also the consideration of phasing out Avgas and piston engine oil and all it's dedicated refuelling kit. If you start to bring in a new type, over the existing type still being in service, you can run into trouble very quickly, for simple things like hangarage, storage of records, training and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    The Defender would carry out surveillance, if not the Garda helis. The Air Corps learnt from the Alouettes /Gazelles / Dauphins that you should establish a firm cut off date to remove an aircraft from circulation, as they could linger on in irregular service. Removing an aircraft from the fleet requires isolating and quarantining it's supply pool, transferring it's core pilot group to other aircraft, retraining techs on other aircraft and removing dedicated tooling from stores, as well as all the written and digital literature from the system, as well as securing the safe storage of all logbooks and records. There's also the consideration of phasing out Avgas and piston engine oil and all it's dedicated refuelling kit. If you start to bring in a new type, over the existing type still being in service, you can run into trouble very quickly, for simple things like hangarage, storage of records, training and so on.
    Hangarage. Now there is an interesting question. How much unused space is there at the Don?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Hangarage. Now there is an interesting question. How much unused space is there at the Don?
    http://sgames.itcarlow.ie/AirCorps%2...nd%20brief.pdf

    Not a lot

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    Rumour has it the PC12 will not be delivered on time, with the first aircraft not now due until summer 2020.



    Don has always been a good source on military matters in Ireland, and is rarely, if ever, wrong. There are more details in later tweets, but it is cumbersome to post them here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Rumour has it the PC12 will not be delivered on time, with the first aircraft not now due until summer 2020.



    Don has always been a good source on military matters in Ireland, and is rarely, if ever, wrong. There are more details in later tweets, but it is cumbersome to post them here.
    He tweets and awful lot of rubbish aswell unfortunately. Quantity over quality.

    According to his tweet the other day EUTM troops were using SCAR rifles from the "hundred or so" we bought. Don's perusing through social media needs to be refined. Sees a picture of a soldier firing one on a range (swapping weapons on the range is common enough overseas I believe) and suddenly we have purchased 100 of them.

    In short - big pinch of salt needed

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    Saw a PC 12 coming in to land at Weston Airport today at midday , dark green in colour with yellow or gold band along the fuselage , I heard later that Facebook Ireland were holding a staff Christmas event at Weston . Maybe it was Santa arriving .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    He tweets and awful lot of rubbish aswell unfortunately. Quantity over quality.

    According to his tweet the other day EUTM troops were using SCAR rifles from the "hundred or so" we bought. Don's perusing through social media needs to be refined. Sees a picture of a soldier firing one on a range (swapping weapons on the range is common enough overseas I believe) and suddenly we have purchased 100 of them.

    In short - big pinch of salt needed
    By my clock, there are 2 weeks of 2019 left, and not a word about expected delivery of the first 2 PC12. Could Don be right again? He did admit his mistake with the SCAR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    By my clock, there are 2 weeks of 2019 left, and not a word about expected delivery of the first 2 PC12. Could Don be right again? He did admit his mistake with the SCAR.
    Again, as I alluded to in my other post in this forum. The delays and expected delivery timelines are no secret. It's common knowledge.

    Whoever keeps feeding Don his lines, can continue to do so. Its no skin off my back. Just sad to watch people hanging off the hook for every "exclusive".

    He's nothing more than a social media "journalist". Trawling through serving members social media and searching hash tags looking to strike gold.

    There will be a PC12 flying sooner than you (or Don) may think.

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    Don is a retired actual journalist.
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    German 1: That is the bad news.

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