I was going to say the Pilatus's wheels looked a bit smaller than the Caravan's but only the nosewheel is smaller. Bet there's a Pilatus ad in the next An Cosantoir.
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well, Pilatus will win because one doesn't want to do Jollies to effing Kansas, because it's full of rubes who chew tobacco, whereas Zurich will do nicely, despite not being in the EU. I'd say the actual chances of a potential Air Corps PC-12 roughing it in a grimy hotspot like Chad are less than your chances of winning the Lotto. Also, the Swiss will throw tantrums if you actually use a Swiss aircraft in combat, the hypocrites.
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Originally posted by Rocinante View PostNot wanting to jump the gun on this, but if there is an ISR solution wanted then something like Austrian Airborne technologies S.C.A.R. podded system might be something to look into.
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You get a SIGINT/EO even a radar equipped version and it was originally designed to go on the PC-9.....
Who says radar and SIGINT aren't options with the FWUA
Originally posted by The real Jack View PostI was going to say the Pilatus's wheels looked a bit smaller than the Caravan's but only the nosewheel is smaller. Bet there's a Pilatus ad in the next An Cosantoir.
Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Postwell, Pilatus will win because one doesn't want to do Jollies to effing Kansas, because it's full of rubes who chew tobacco, whereas Zurich will do nicely, despite not being in the EU. I'd say the actual chances of a potential Air Corps PC-12 roughing it in a grimy hotspot like Chad are less than your chances of winning the Lotto. Also, the Swiss will throw tantrums if you actually use a Swiss aircraft in combat, the hypocrites.
Looking at the specs, when they are looking for options for a DAS - that isn't to stop Fantastia forces targeting them CASEVACing people from Waterford Airport
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Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Postwell, Pilatus will win because one doesn't want to do Jollies to effing Kansas, because it's full of rubes who chew tobacco, whereas Zurich will do nicely, despite not being in the EU. I'd say the actual chances of a potential Air Corps PC-12 roughing it in a grimy hotspot like Chad are less than your chances of winning the Lotto. Also, the Swiss will throw tantrums if you actually use a Swiss aircraft in combat, the hypocrites.
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So we have a tender written for one aircraft and one aircraft alone and a fine corporate overland taxi it is. Comfortable pressurised cabin with as much utility as a Ferrari in a bog. Boasting the ISTAR capability of a small UAV with none of the covertness, one wonders what they will do with 3, let alone 4. I look forward to at least a decade of Dail statements pointing to the purchase as evidence of this, the next and successive government's continued investment in our fine Air Corps.
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Originally posted by Jetjock View PostSo we have a tender written for one aircraft and one aircraft alone and a fine corporate overland taxi it is. Comfortable pressurised cabin with as much utility as a Ferrari in a bog. Boasting the ISTAR capability of a small UAV with none of the covertness, one wonders what they will do with 3, let alone 4. I look forward to at least a decade of Dail statements pointing to the purchase as evidence of this, the next and successive government's continued investment in our fine Air Corps.
It will 1000% better in any role (apart from target towing) than the aircraft it is replacing and will add new roles.
The DF operates in generally permissive environments.
The suggestion of the 4th is for GASU. The new roles mean that 3 will be a good (and affordable) number.
You'd be giving out if the Cessna was still in service in another 10 years or if we were tendering for 10 a/c
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allowing us to keep the Govt jet purely for ministerial transport obviously ....
What is our ISTAR package spec ask?
What is a realistic world military spec ISTAR package, that a country which takes national defence and surveillance seriously, look like?
how wide is the gulf between ours and that?
now, where else did we look to decide on this spec and what did the defence forces really request vs what the civil servant in charge agreed to allow us to tender for?
PC12 seems to be a longer range, pressurised cabin with lower payload.
How much have the gardai set aside for the replacement to the defender?"He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
"No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."
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Originally posted by Jetjock View PostSo we have a tender written for one aircraft and one aircraft alone and a fine corporate overland taxi it is. Comfortable pressurised cabin with as much utility as a Ferrari in a bog. Boasting the ISTAR capability of a small UAV with none of the covertness, one wonders what they will do with 3, let alone 4. I look forward to at least a decade of Dail statements pointing to the purchase as evidence of this, the next and successive government's continued investment in our fine Air Corps.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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