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  • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    ...and first off the blocks is the PC 12, in today, showing it's wares to the crowd.
    Its been there all week along with a Daher TBM.

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    • PC-12 could be a very versatile Cessna replacement but:

      (a) will they want a twin turbo?
      (b) how will speed and cost compare for loitering compared to slower aircraft?
      (c) will they want a high wing (ie if the turret fails)?
      (d) is it multi-role (how long from MATS to ISTAR/MEDEVAC/paradropping)?
      Last edited by DeV; 28 April 2016, 17:20.

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      • What would be wrong with a pair of king airs?We operated one before didn't we?
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        • We had three (sigh).Great aircraft, utterly reliable and very efficient and well-proven as a multi-roler, especially if you got the cargo door built in from day 1. Millions of parts available worldwide and held in high regard by pilots and mechs alike, which is a rare thing. Truly multi-role, reliable, tough, fast enough to be useful over long distances, carries a good payload in any role, able to operate in short strips (700m, if you have to) and the safety factor of two engines. Also good for maturing young pilots.

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          • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
            We had three (sigh).Great aircraft, utterly reliable and very efficient and well-proven as a multi-roler, especially if you got the cargo door built in from day 1. Millions of parts available worldwide and held in high regard by pilots and mechs alike, which is a rare thing. Truly multi-role, reliable, tough, fast enough to be useful over long distances, carries a good payload in any role, able to operate in short strips (700m, if you have to) and the safety factor of two engines. Also good for maturing young pilots.
            Sounds like just the job. Why are they not in service?
            'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
            'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
            Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
            He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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            • two were sold off to be replaced by the Casa maritime patrollers and one was kept for VIP/liaison/training/air ambulance and it gave great service and was one of the world's highest houred King Airs when it was retired.....the RAF replaced the BAe Jetstream with King Airs.

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              • Would a King Air not be even more expensive to operate though?

                Again how removable are the various options?
                Last edited by DeV; 28 April 2016, 22:30.

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                • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                  ...the Defender is much-loved by pilots only in that it helps to fill the logbook with precious twin turbine hours. After that, it's a noisy, slow cramped, pain in the arse in which to while away the time dreaming of the big sky job in the airlines...
                  Who bemoan the loss of the KingAirs which afforded them the same opportunity in relative luxury!
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                  • If a King Air was bought for ISTAR, then a lot of it's equipment, such as a FLIR ball, would be, practically speaking, a permanent fit but interior kit could easily be palletised for a quick-change or QC version. Mission kit is usually fitted to match the standard seat rails fitted to a King Air, which are a global standard rail. A cargo door would mean easy fitting of mission kit or an air ambulance bed/medical kit or simply changing out seats. In terms of costs, a King Air burns more and uses a few more oil filters and air filters per annum but so what? It's cheap enough in real terms.

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                    • Originally posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
                      If a King Air was bought for ISTAR, then a lot of it's equipment, such as a FLIR ball, would be, practically speaking, a permanent fit but interior kit could easily be palletised for a quick-change or QC version. Mission kit is usually fitted to match the standard seat rails fitted to a King Air, which are a global standard rail. A cargo door would mean easy fitting of mission kit or an air ambulance bed/medical kit or simply changing out seats. In terms of costs, a King Air burns more and uses a few more oil filters and air filters per annum but so what? It's cheap enough in real terms.
                      Any extra expense would be offset by knowing the bloody thing will start,
                      and do it's job as required, penny pinchers never seem to look at the big picture and loose more money as a result and, more importantly put lives on the line!
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                      Radio transmission, siege of Jadotville DR Congo. September 1961.
                      Illegitimi non carborundum

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                      • The us army us king air 350s

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                        • We made the jump from BN-2B/T to KA 200s and they have proven excellent. Maritime patrol, VIP and patient transport, SAR (with bubble windows and a drop hatch for markers/liferafts), they can do it all pretty well. Not as cheap to run as the BN (but what is) but not even an order of magnitude more expensive and far more capability.

                          Good enough to buy another.

                          On October 27th, 2015, the Armed Forces of Malta released a press release announcing the signing of a contract for the provision of a third King Air B200 funded by the EU 2014-2020 Internal Security Funds (ISF). The contract was signed in the presence of Brigadier Jeffrey Curmi, the Commander of the Armed Forces of ...

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                          • King Air 350iEr's with a Modular Fit for MPA and ISTAR, makes a great mini airliner/VIP/AA when the kit is taken out. Seams like a great solution to a number of missions.

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                            • The King Air looks like a great choice for a lot of potential roles, but at the risk of going off topic, given it's around a 1500 mile round trip from Bal to the Maury Channel - not allowing for any time on station - is a 350i/ER going to be sufficient for our MPA needs/responsibilities?

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                              • [QUOTE=pym;
                                The King Air looks like a great choice for a lot of potential roles, but at the risk of going off topic, given it's around a 1500 mile round trip from Bal to the Maury Channel - not allowing for any time on station - is a 350i/ER going to be sufficient for our MPA needs/responsibilities?[/QUOTE]

                                Realistically what could make a 1500 mile roundtrip with a low level segment..
                                Last edited by Charlie252; 3 May 2016, 03:56.

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