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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    All tenders Had to be in by Noon today.

    Roll on August, hopefully.


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    "i was informed by persons in 1st ACS that the eagle is the car if the budget cuts dont kill it
    and it will be arriving for testing very soon"



    .....and who said the civil service was in-efficient???

    a tender decision, contracts and orders all in just over 10 hours
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    But will they be on site on Monday morning?

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    Not due until August.

    Must be flying in through dublin.....


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    It appears to be an open secret that the Eagle IV is what's wanted, however, does anyone know if the names of those that tendered and the vehicles they proposed will actually be released?

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    When the vehicles arrive for user trials in August, then you should know who offered tenders.


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    When did you say they will be arriving for trials again?

    What's this thread about?
    :p

    Let us just try not to do anything to jinx this tender any further...like give people the idea that they might want to sue a la the MLH debacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come-quickly View Post
    When did you say they will be arriving for trials again?

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    June.


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    By my estimation, any LTAV on trial should be in Country now, if not already in the Curragh.

    The RFT indicated that User Trials were to begin "within 35 days of the closing date of the closing date for reciept of tenders, i.e. by Wednesday 13th August 2008"

    The User trials will take 8 weeks.

    Thats 8 weeks you all have to catch a photo of them, assuming the whole project has not been shelved again.


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    Decision on new army fleet deferred again

    Thursday August 14 2008

    Don Lavery

    The selection of a new fleet of armoured vehicles for the Army costing at least €30m has been delayed again -- eight years after army chiefs first sought them.

    Tenders are being evaluated to provide the army with 54 armoured vehicles able to carry out a variety of roles, including surveillance, target acquisition, communications and carrying Javelin anti-armour missiles.

    However, under the tender competition, the vehicles will be bought in three phases over four years and the fleet won't be in full service until 2012.

    Eight weeks of field trials were due to begin yesterday in the Curragh on two selected vehicles. However, the Department of Defence said it was now likely that field trials would not begin until mid-September.

    The army first sought the versatile vehicles in 2000 from Defence Minister Michael Smith but nothing happened.

    In 2005, Defence Minister Willie O'Dea launched a tender competition for 66 vehicles describing them as a "priority" -- but that was deferred after no suitable vehicle could be found.

    Instead, 15 Mowag armoured vehicles were bought for the Cavalry Corps.

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    A month delay isn't that bad...


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    Does anybody have any idea of what two vehicles have been shortlisted. Eagle IV and LMV?

    Possibly Willie is defering it to a time when fewer people will be on holiday, thus creating a better photo op for himself.
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    Or is pushing expenditure into the next year's budget.

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    There was 6.5 million allocated in this year's budget for them, was there not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Or is pushing expenditure into the next year's budget.
    Yes indeed. Could well be.

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    Just athought, but does the overseas deployment to Chad costs come out the Defence budget or Overseas Aid budget and could this be a factor in the delay of the purchase if it comes from defence?
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Just athought, but does the overseas deployment to Chad costs come out the Defence budget or Overseas Aid budget and could this be a factor in the delay of the purchase if it comes from defence?

    Its not uncommon for funds from one budget head to be via'd to cover a shortfall in another and certainly one way of accomodating this is to delay a current years expenditure item to next year. When you do a full european tender (OJOU) for a particular requirement the tender normally states when a contract will be awarded but these are generally just guidelines. Contracts can be awarded much later than originally planned and the commencement date can similarly be delayed.

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    Playing around with the Budget is quite a common accurance. Cork Co. Fire Brigade payed for and registered 2 Volvo FL250 appliances in 2007. The appliances were only built in 2008 and went on the run in April of this year and normal procedure is that only a deposit is needed but this was done so the 2008 appliance budget will not be affected as more serious hardware is needed by the brigade this year

    Well at least the tender hasn`t been cancelled like a few in the past
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Or is pushing expenditure into the next year's budget.
    It's already in next years budget, I thought. Initial deliveries were not due until 2009 anyway (Phase 1, 27 vehicles, first 16 in 2009, 2nd 11 in 2010). All this means is the user evaluation will not begin until a month after when they were originally scheduled.

    The Overseas Budget for Chad came out of the Defence Budget. Quite considerable it was too. I'm inclined to doubt that Irish troops will be remaining after the initial term ends in March.

    If the Field trials now take place in mid September, instead of Mid August, it just means like Paul G said, that there will be less on leave. And the Trials will end in mid November, instead of Mid October, meaning those involved in the trials will not get the opportunity to test the vehicles under the intense heat of Irelands summer sun...I think Mr Lavery is making something out of nothing. No contracts have been deferred, as far as we know, just part of the evaluation process will take slightly longer than initially planned.


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    So.. It's Mid September...

    I understand 3 types are in DFTC. Details to follow.
    Last edited by Goldie fish; 15th September 2008 at 20:55.


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    Letter was sent out to all infantry units to supply drivers for an evaluation team.Must have previous overseas experience driving and a minimum of three years service i believe .I.E only guys who know there shit.Testing to take place all around ireland both on open roads,forested areas and mountainous areas.Firing practices on military lands.Tech evaluation follows this above in Curragh workshops.
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    Nice.

    Cav and Transport will be falling over themselves for 8 weeks in the quare place then....


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    There's a piece in today's independent (can't find it on their site) about the LTV, 3 companies are in the trial's, Iveco with the Panther, Mowag with the Eagle IV and the RG32M, nothing else really new or important in the article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mutter nutter View Post
    There's a piece in today's independent (can't find it on their site) about the LTV, 3 companies are in the trial's, Iveco with the Panther, Mowag with the Eagle IV and the RG32M, nothing else really new or important in the article.
    Apart from the RG32M - which is probably the outsider - a very predictable shortlist. Why has it taken years to get to this stage? Then again, I suppose staff officers have to do something for their money.

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    Good News. BAE Systems now produce the RG32. They all look similar.


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