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  • #16
    Originally posted by easyrider View Post
    Convoys...
    Convoys, I am afraid would not be cost effective in these days of modern commerce, and as shipping firms would have to pay extra for the naval security the cost would be passed onto the consumer, also the Pirates are targeting holiday yachts and cruise ships at will.

    Connaught Stranger

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    • #17
      The solution to this was worked out centuries ago, and involves some rope and a yardarm.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by yellowjacket View Post
        The solution to this was worked out centuries ago, and involves some rope and a yardarm.
        What sort of a crap statement is that? Do you seriously think that hanging people is a solution? How do you propose to catch them first?

        A sensible proposal on self defence might be more realistic, but hey, why lower ourselves to the levels of the pirates?

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        • #19
          I think what YJ is saying is to Combat piracy you need a strong deterrent. i.e, Death.
          When these guys have only a "trial" to fear, usually held by their own buddies, they will continue as long as it remains profitable.
          At the moment, it is.
          I have heard some ships using electrified railings to shock those boarding illegally. However there is no better defence than alert watchkeepers. Apart from armed alert watchkeepers.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Test Pilot View Post
            What sort of a crap statement is that? Do you seriously think that hanging people is a solution? How do you propose to catch them first?

            People who have been hung for a while are unlikely to engage in piracy at a future date.

            I'd go for the Julius Caesar solution and crucify the bstards.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
              No!! the A-team is pure crap, the idea that you can fire thousands of rounds of modern ammo and not kill somebody has contributed no doubt to gun crime in the USA, also corrugated zinc sheeting is not renowned for its bullet proof abilities.

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              When I breeze into that city, people gonna stoop and bow.
              All them women gonna make me, teach 'em what they don't know how

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                When these guys have only a "trial" to fear, usually held by their own buddies, they will continue as long as it remains profitable.
                .
                Their own buddies aint going to hang them. So lets forget about that. People have been hung for years - and piracy and other violent acts still go on. So where is the deterent? There is none!

                So its down to self defence. And I do think ships should have some armed protection while sailing in these waters.
                Last edited by Test Pilot; 12 April 2008, 16:21.

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                • #23
                  Steve Zisou for Maritime security chief?

                  You would like to think that even a "Constabulary Navy" like the NS would be sufficiently well armed and drilled to passage theses waters safely.
                  Maybe a few more trips to Africa would finally give the Navy a chance to blow something up.

                  On a more serious note, given the slight expansion of the Army Support role with the EPV(s) how secure would any future travels in similar waters be for the NS?

                  Within the bounds of opsec what sort of capability do the modernish/new gen PVs have in terms of sighting and engaging these sort of small vessels.
                  The Effective range of a Dskh is presumably about 1.5km even when operated by an illiterate in a dinghy.
                  "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Come-quickly View Post
                    Steve Zisou for Maritime security chief?
                    Give everyone glocks? (interns get to share one)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
                      Convoys, I am afraid would not be cost effective in these days of modern commerce, and as shipping firms would have to pay extra for the naval security the cost would be passed onto the consumer, also the Pirates are targeting holiday yachts and cruise ships at will.

                      Connaught Stranger

                      I take your point, but I think that's what they said in WW1 in response to the U-boat threat, until they changed their minds, and then again in WW2, until they changed their minds.... Convoys work, there are centuries oh naval history to show that. But maybe the threat level in this situation doesn't warrant that step?

                      However, it seems that there are two particular parts of the world where there is a high level of threat from pirates at the moment, and naval vessels from many countries are already in those areas, patrolling. Would those ships be more useful escorting convoys of whatever type of civilian vessels through those danger areas? Would that be a more effective way of providing protection and combatting the pirates?

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                      • #26


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                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Come-quickly View Post
                          You would like to think that even a "Constabulary Navy" like the NS would be sufficiently well armed and drilled to passage theses waters safely.
                          Maybe a few more trips to Africa would finally give the Navy a chance to blow something up.

                          On a more serious note, given the slight expansion of the Army Support role with the EPV(s) how secure would any future travels in similar waters be for the NS?

                          Within the bounds of opsec what sort of capability do the modernish/new gen PVs have in terms of sighting and engaging these sort of small vessels.
                          The Effective range of a Dskh is presumably about 1.5km even when operated by an illiterate in a dinghy.
                          NS vessels are operational and would IMO be sufficiently well armed to deal with the threat from pirates.

                          Apart from the main armament (76 / 57 / 40mm), NS vessels are equipped with secondary armament depending on the vessel this includes: 20mm, HMG, GPMG

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            NS vessels are operational and would IMO be sufficiently well armed to deal with the threat from pirates.

                            Apart from the main armament (76 / 57 / 40mm), NS vessels are equipped with secondary armament depending on the vessel this includes: 20mm, HMG, GPMG

                            http://www.military.ie/naval/flotilla/weapons/index.htm
                            I'm well aware of the armament of the vessels - but tactically what is our capability to deal with the threat of multiple small boats capable of firing from over 1km out. Given the non warlike construction of the PVs bemoaned on these boards in the past I'm assuming that some sea-pikey getting the drop on one of our boaties would be both costly and humiliating.
                            "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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                            • #29
                              Test Pilot, your tongue-in-cheek detector appears to be experiencing technical difficulties in relation to my post about yardarms. That said; traditionally pirates were summarily executed on capture - and this punishment has the benefit of very low recidivism rates.

                              Under international convention, engaging in piracy earns one the status of "Hostis humani generis" - an enemy of humanity. Nice phrase, if nothing else.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by yellowjacket View Post
                                Test Pilot, your tongue-in-cheek detector appears to be experiencing technical difficulties in relation to my post about yardarms. That said; traditionally pirates were summarily executed on capture - and this punishment has the benefit of very low recidivism rates.

                                Under international convention, engaging in piracy earns one the status of "Hostis humani generis" - an enemy of humanity. Nice phrase, if nothing else.
                                YJ, seen and noted! Thank you.

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