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  • #46
    Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
    I understand, like many international flashpoints, major Naval Powers are unwilling(or unable, because they are already stretched worldwide) to provide ships to take part in anti Piracy Patrols.
    At the moment, it's mostly food aid that is being taken by Somali Pirates. But you can be sure that as soon as the cargo becomes more valuable, warships will suddenly become available.
    It really is ridiculous in this day and age that something cannot be done about this, I know the old arguement that navies are "over-stretched, under manned, etc" but really there are loads of hulls all over the World not being deployed. This is an international problem and it needs an international solution.
    OK, only food aid is being taken but thats the stranglehold that these criminals have over their shore based communities. Its only a matter of time like you quite rightly point out that they manage to take something a lot more valuable, either in terms of property or human life.
    As usual with most things its because of the missing political will that we have this problem, we have the tools and the training if the politicians would just let us get on with it the problem would be solved within probably two years.

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    • #47
      the situation is even a bit more complex, Probably some of the local politicians of the Somali Transitional Federal Govt are also in on this, Although thye do not control in any way the entire country. Lots of small self declared states. They have a vast coastline, longest in Africa, lots of small ports like Eyl, Hobiyo, Kismayo under no official control, local warlords and population see it as a source of income,, could be stopped but who really gives a toss about Somalia.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by BANDIT View Post
        the situation is even a bit more complex, Probably some of the local politicians of the Somali Transitional Federal Govt are also in on this, Although thye do not control in any way the entire country. Lots of small self declared states. They have a vast coastline, longest in Africa, lots of small ports like Eyl, Hobiyo, Kismayo under no official control, local warlords and population see it as a source of income,, could be stopped but who really gives a toss about Somalia.

        Wait until they find oil there.....

        Somalia is another African country that was mucked about for years by a variety of colonial European powers, and some of them are still involved.

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        • #49
          DO what my fathers passenger liners did back in the 60's 70's. Train the crew to fire deck guns, Bofors etc, and have them ready for use if the company warrants it
          "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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          • #50
            "And if you follow me through from the casino you can see our swimming pool, 57 mm Bofor and the tennis court. That gentle, soothing thump you can hear is the Rheinmetalls being test fired. On the lower deck you can see one of our six fine restaurants...."
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            • #51
              Originally posted by ZULU View Post
              DO what my fathers passenger liners did back in the 60's 70's. Train the crew to fire deck guns, Bofors etc, and have them ready for use if the company warrants it
              I'd love to hear about these pirates trying to attack one of the nuclear waste ships that travel between the UK and Japan.

              They come with a complement of armed police who also use deck mounted weapons.

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              • #52
                Convoys, air patrols....

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                • #53
                  Pirates free ships after ransoms paid

                  Pirates free ships after ransoms paid

                  SOMALIA: Pirates holding about a dozen boats off Somalia have freed a German-owned cargo ship and a Japanese-operated chemical tanker after ransom payments, a maritime group and sources on the ground said yesterday.

                  Pirates have this year been running amok in the Gulf of Aden, a major sea artery used by some 20,000 vessels a year heading to and from the Suez Canal.

                  Shipping sources confirmed the release of the German-owned boat, named as the BBC Trinidad , and its 13-member crew. The vessel had been seized on August 21st.

                  Sources close to the pirate gangs based in the northern Somali region of Puntland also confirmed that the Irene , registered in Panama but managed from Japan, was going free. The Irene is thought to have a crew of 15 Filipinos and three Croatians.

                  "We understand the gang were demanding about $2.47 million (€1.7 million) ransom (for Irene ). Maybe they got less, I don't know. They are certainly making a lot of money," said Andrew Mwangura of the East African Seafarers' Association.

                  Heavily armed Somali pirates, usually using speedboats and now also boasting a French yacht they have captured, have seized more than 30 vessels so far this year.

                  The violence at sea has fed off chaos onshore.

                  Islamist insurgents are battling Somalias interim government in Mogadishu and their Ethiopian military backers in the latest round of Somalias 17-year-old civil conflict.

                  Mr Mwangura's group says it has been telling shipping companies for years not to pay ransoms to Somali gangs, but many were doing so, fuelling a now lucrative and spiralling trade.

                  In Puntland, a local official blamed the international community for failing to act against the pirates, despite the presence of French and American military bases in the region.

                  "We are condemning countries like the US and France who are mandated to protect Somali waters from pirates' actions," Abdulqadir Muse Yusuf, fisheries minister for the semi-autonomous region, said. - (Reuters)

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                  • #54


                    The Canadian ship HMCS Ville de Quebec has been escorting UN World Food Programme ships delivering supplies into Mogadishu since the beginning of August, following similar deployments by French, Danish and Dutch vessels. However Ville de Quebec's deployment ends in a couple of weeks and there doesn't seem to be any other country willing to contribute a replacement. Is this a job the Naval Service could undertake, not immediately of course, but at some time in the future? Are our ships capable of carrying out this role? It seems like a naval equivalent of the work the Army has been doing overseas for decades.

                    The Royal Malaysian Navy now has three ships in the area - the OPV KD Pahang, frigate KD Lekiu and support ship KD Sri Inderapura - to assist in the freeing of two Malaysian vessels and their crews totalling 63.

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                    • #55
                      Well our Navy would be competent enough to carry out such a tasking.The very sighting of a Naval ship by the pirates would be enough of a detterent by itself.A helicopter equipped vessel would be more suited to this sort of operation though, for over the horizon operations and responding to distress calls or reports of pirate activity.The pirates want maximum profitablity with minimal risk to themselves, so at the first sign of an armed helicopter swooping down on them or the distant sillouete of a naval ship and they will go as fast as they can in the opposite direction.They are cowards and there should only be one sort of response and that is a shoot to kill order.It is the only way to stop them.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Rooster View Post
                        "hey, don't be interfering with those trading ships or their cargoes, besides the people onboard may claim political asylum"

                        besides, they can only claim political asylum if they are alive after the encounter!

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                        • #57
                          Absolutely."Your application has been rejected in writing!"..."What writing?"....The 7.62mm rejection mark on the end of the cartridge! Now, eff off back to your shithole of a city/country,and keep what remains of your thieveing hands to yourself in future.
                          regards
                          GttC

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                          • #58
                            Some links I read over the last couple of days on the subject.

                            Royal Navy won't fight pirates 'in case they claim asylum'


                            Somali Pirates = Robin Hood?

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                            • #59
                              Somali pirates 'seize 30 tanks'

                              Pirates off the coast of Somalia have seized a Ukrainian ship carrying T-72 tanks, an official has said. Ukraine's foreign ministry said the ship had a crew of 21 and was sailing under a Belize flag to the Kenyan port of Mombasa. A report from Russia's Interfax news agency said earlier that the ship had a cargo of about 30 tanks, as well as spare parts for armoured vehicles.

                              There has been a recent surge in piracy off the coast of Somalia. The country has not had an effective national government for 17 years, leading to a collapse of law and order both on land and at sea.

                              Somali pirates are currently holding more than a dozen hijacked ships in the base in Eyl, a town in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland. It was not immediately clear where the Ukrainian ship had been taken.

                              Speed boats


                              The Ukrainian foreign ministry said the captain of the Faina cargo ship had reported being surrounded by three boats of armed men on Thursday afternoon. Russia said on Friday it would start carrying out regular anti-piracy patrols in the waters off Somalia. A warship was sent to the area earlier this week. A navy spokesman said the move was to protect Russian citizens and Russian ships.

                              Last week, France circulated a draft UN resolution urging states to deploy naval vessels and aircraft to combat piracy in the area. France has intervened twice to free French sailors kidnapped by pirates, with commandos freeing two people whose boat had been hijacked in the Gulf of Aden earlier this month.

                              After an earlier raid in April, six arrested pirates were handed over to French authorities for trial. International navies have been escorting humanitarian deliveries to Somalia, where a third of the population needs food aid.
                              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7637257.stm
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                              • #60
                                This could have a happy ending as I read in todays Sindo that they are ransoming the tanks for $24million...
                                now I wonder would that be to the original owners or the highest bidder.

                                Nice to think free enterprise is alive and thriving in Somalia.
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