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    People should look at the Center for Army Lessons Learned study on combat loads in Afghanistan, titled the Modern Warriors Combat Load Report.

    It estimated that the average Pln Comdr had combat loads as follows:
    "Combat Load" - 62lbs (Load bearing best, body armour, ammunition etc)
    "Approach March Load" - 95lbs (Combat load as above, with daysack consisting of an extra camelback, poncho liner, 2 MREs etc)
    "Emergency Approach Load" - 120lbs (Loads as above, with backpack, additional ammunition, sleeping system etc)

    The likes of SAW gunners saw their Emergency Approach Load exceed 140lbs.

    Now the above loads were at that level, while the troops were resupplied with 2-3 MREs and 8 litres of water per day.

    Now what happens to those loads in a situation where resupply is less frequent?

    That march on the USMC IOC accurately reflects the realities of situations and loads Pln Comdrs and their troops could find themselves facing in todays conflicts.
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    It doesn't really matter.We all know that in a real world situation the female will have her heavy kit divided amongst the males in the unit......
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    t doesn't really matter.We all know that in a real world situation the female will have her heavy kit divided amongst the males in the unit.....
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    and it's going to get worst, when they lower the standards to be a Soldier in order to attract in more of the fairer sex.

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    Do women have a place in the Army, Navy or Air Force (Corps): Yes
    Should standards be lowered: No
    Should there be different standards: No

    If people are expected to do the same jobs, they should be judged by the same set of standards.

    One force, one set of standards. Simple as.
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    "105,000 dead. 40,000,000 unemployed. Police murdering African-Americans. You’ve completed you’re mission. You’ve made America great. Now get the f**k out."

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    The details were clouded in all the inter service rivalry, along with the inference that the original author got where she got by an easy route.
    It was unfortunate that the only example the response could provide was from WW2. 70 years ago. By that logic should the Marines not also be wearing the uniform of a marine in Belleau Wood?
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    lowering the standard in a course in order to simply allow women entrance into the program sets a slippery slope precedence. If the Marine Corps lowers the golden standard for their main element leadership on the battlefield, what is stopping them from further dropping the bar for all Marines in all job fields? Excellence comes at a price, and our nation’s enemies don’t give a damn about how politically correct and diverse our warrior class looks. All they care about is defeating our nation on the battlefield, and that is not something the institution of the United States Marine Corps will ever allow to happen as long as there is breath in the lungs of any U.S. Marine on this planet.

    If a woman can meet the standards, as they are currently set, then they should be allowed to fight alongside their brothers who have met the exact same standards. There is no question about that. However, lowering any standards in order to present a more diverse and politically correct military to the world stage will result in only one thing.
    I think that sums up the argument pretty well...
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    An interesting video I came across a while back. Ties in with the whole "Fight Light" doctrine and Mission command. PCC's and PCI's are not something we regularly do on exercises etc. Usually issue of Ordnance,orders then rehearsals. IOT implement "Fight Light" we need to take a leaf out of the US Infantry's playbook and make these checks SOP.

    The video is part of a series on Youtube.The creator is a currently serving SNCO in the USMC. Some of the videos are a bit "Militia-y" but hey that's America these days.The teaching is sound though.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOn4awyCNZk&t=876s
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    An interesting video I came across a while back. Ties in with the whole "Fight Light" doctrine and Mission command. PCC's and PCI's are not something we regularly do on exercises etc. Usually issue of Ordnance,orders then rehearsals. IOT implement "Fight Light" we need to take a leaf out of the US Infantry's playbook and make these checks SOP.

    The video is part of a series on Youtube.The creator is a currently serving SNCO in the USMC. Some of the videos are a bit "Militia-y" but hey that's America these days.The teaching is sound though.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOn4awyCNZk&t=876s
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    Lesson I learnt when in the back of the truck on way to the Glen a private pulled out civvies (I mean full change of clothes, coat etc) from his Bergen (in addition to what he was suppose to have in it). Now in fairness guy was well able to carry it but ....

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    It’s really about knowing your audience regards this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider pig View Post
    It’s really about knowing your audience regards this.
    Not sure what you mean by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Not sure what you mean by this.
    Knowing who you can trust and don’t need to check?

    We are all human though

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    Wasn't his entire point being that you don't trust anyone.

    "Inspect.Don't expect".
    "105,000 dead. 40,000,000 unemployed. Police murdering African-Americans. You’ve completed you’re mission. You’ve made America great. Now get the f**k out."

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    It was my first post on the topic.

    What I meant was it’s about knowing the people you’re working with. Some need checking and some don’t. Everyone has a preference on how to utilize their kit
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    Quote Originally Posted by spider pig View Post
    It was my first post on the topic.

    What I meant was it’s about knowing the people you’re working with. Some need checking and some don’t. Everyone has a preference on how to utilize their kit
    Ok.I get you now.I agree up to a point.I think you have to aim off for the lowest common denominator,the one dope whose admin is up his hole and go from there.Also you would need to be seen to be even handed.You couldn't single people out while not inspecting everyone else. Personal preference has its place up to a point,but not if it is going to compromise mission success or safety.As the man says "If you have to crush some souls and increase the suck factor so be it.The mission come first".
    "105,000 dead. 40,000,000 unemployed. Police murdering African-Americans. You’ve completed you’re mission. You’ve made America great. Now get the f**k out."

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    "Yes he's an idiot with zero common sense,and no social skills,but he IS my son.I just hope he never goes into politics.He'd be a disaster.

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