Thanks Thanks:  35
Likes Likes:  54
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Page 5 of 26 FirstFirst ... 3456715 ... LastLast
Results 101 to 125 of 646

Thread: More Trucks..

  1. #101
    C/S
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    3,319
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Who?
    I formed the opinion that some one somewhere decided that the fairest way for every supplier was to give each of them a slice of the cake. that is to give each importer of trucks a bit of the total order as the years went by.
    That may make sense when ordering batches of 1,000 fighter aircraft, but not 10 trucks.

    There are very few manufacturers capable of building 1,000 fighter aircraft, so it makes sense to spread the orders around to maintain competition and alternatives. If one company goes bust you don't loose 100% of your spares procurement. Trucks are technically a lot simpler and there is a multitude of manufacturers and speares suppliers, even of relatively sophisticated ones like these.

    In this type of case, there is a desire for substantial commonality among vehicles so as to simplify maintenance and spares. Against this, you have to watch for block obsolesence and not buy all your vehicles at the same time, leaving you in a position where you also need to replace them all more or less at the same time. Hence the MOWAGs have been purchased over a few years, meaning when some will be long in the tooth, others will still have years left.

  2. #102
    King Monkey FMolloy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    The Hacienda
    Posts
    5,511
    Post Thanks / Like

    New Trucks

    Today's Evil Herald says that the Army is to get 36 Scania R420 six-weel drive trucks and 1 8x4 truck fitted with a crane. The NS is to get a crane out of the deal too.
    "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

  3. #103
    Moderated Bundy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    120
    Post Thanks / Like
    that sounds cool
    Bundy

  4. #104
    Tim Horgan Goldie fish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    you already know too much
    Posts
    33,440
    Post Thanks / Like
    The Army already use the Scania 420, Its correct title is the P124 420. It is in 8x8 Configuration, fitted with a version of DROPS, which Scania like to call Hooklifts.The only difference is the R124 420 will have the R cab instead of the P cab, and will be 6x6. The advantage being the shorter truck can carry a drawbar trailer without exceeding the Max vehicle length as current 8x8 drops do.The 8x4 truck will appear similar to the 8x8 but will have a Load handling crane.


    P Cab

    R Cab
    The NS Crane is an entirely different machine. Its a RIGO RTT804 80 Tonne crane.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  5. Thanks DeV thanked for this post
    Likes DeV liked this post
  6. #105
    Sergeant Major
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    824
    Post Thanks / Like

    New Trucks

    from scania.ie
    IRISH DEFENCE FORCES €6 million order to SCANIA

    The Public procurement website, eTenders has announced the award by the Irish defence Forces to Roscommon based Westward Scania for a fleet of new troop carriers.


    The Army’s requirement is for thirty-six, six wheel drive High Mobility Load carriers. The vehicles have the capability of carrying troops and also of quick & easy conversion to carry a standard 20’ ISO container. The majority of the vehicles will be delivered at the end of 2006 & early 2007. The Army have specified the Scania R420 CB 6x6 MHZ with the latest Euro 4emission engine. Whilst some manufacturers require an additive in addition to diesel in order to meet the new emission standards, these Scania vehicles meet the Euro 4 standard using EGR (Exhaust Gas re-circulation) technology. Thus there is no logistical requirement for two “fuels”.

    In addition to the thirty-six troop carriers, the Defence Forces have also ordered two R420 CB 8x4 vehicles, one of which is destined for the Naval Services. Due to Scania’s modular construction, these vehicles share several components with the R420 CB 6x6’s.

    Westward Scania is the Importer & Distributor for Scania Trucks, Buses, Marine & Industrial Engines since 1976 and currently supply almost 25% of all the heavy goods vehicles on Irish roads, through a network of dealers throughout Ireland.

  7. #106
    Moderator DeV's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Posts
    22,699
    Post Thanks / Like
    Good article in this months An Cosantoir on the Combined Vehicle Base Workshops (CVBW) in the Curragh. Here are a few interesting quotes relevant to this thread:

    the Defence Forces fleet of approximately 2,100 vehicles
    "With the diverse nature of the DF fleet it is not possible to carry all the diagnostic equipments that may be unique to some of these vehicles" ... In cases where we cannot undertake particular work on a vehicle the job is contracted to a recognised dealer".
    "... we have to have parts for every one of the over 160 types of vehicle currently in service with the Defence Forces. Many of these vehicles also have variants and we have parts and service kits for all of these as well"
    ... these are just some of the items that make up the labyrinth of some 90,000 parts stored here.
    "... One of the biggest problems we have is not only the wide range of vehicles in the Defence Forces but the variants as well. Take the Nissan Patrol for eaxmple. We have a RD28 2.8 turbo-diesel engine. There is also a 3-litre injection engine. There are also other 2.8-litre variants of this as well. The vehicles may look the same but they have completely different engines ... parts, service kits and computer diagnostic software for all the different variants." ... new Nissan Patrol petrol GRs. These are automatic transmission, which means a completely different gearbox ...
    For example, the charging system was giving problems all over the world and when we discovered the problem here we also found how to cure it... We passed on our findings to Mowag and the problem has now been solved.
    Last edited by DeV; 2nd October 2006 at 19:18.

  8. Likes FMP liked this post
  9. #107
    Commander in Chief apod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Ass in the grass.
    Posts
    5,405
    Post Thanks / Like
    Just a quick post.Heard at the weekend that when the new scania 6x6 tcv's are delivered they are all going to the eastern bde.Their "big"ivecos are then going to the southern bde.
    Guess the rdf are not the only ones who have to put up with hand me downs

  10. #108
    Tim Horgan Goldie fish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    you already know too much
    Posts
    33,440
    Post Thanks / Like
    Odd that. The Scania 6x6 were not intended to be TCVs, but hey, we'll gladly take extra lurries down south if the City Boys can't manage them.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  11. #109
    Moderator DeV's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Posts
    22,699
    Post Thanks / Like
    They'll probably centralise the different types of TCV is the geographical areas - makes sense if they aren't going to decide on one type for the whole DF.

  12. #110
    Commander in Chief hptmurphy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    13,791
    Post Thanks / Like
    well given that it looks like most of the southern brigade are overseas at the moment ..they are hardly needed...in the event of the southern brigade mobilisation...just issue travell warrants
    Time for another break I think......

  13. #111
    Captain Truck Driver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Here And There...
    Posts
    10,459
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Odd that. The Scania 6x6 were not intended to be TCVs, but hey, we'll gladly take extra lurries down south if the City Boys can't manage them.
    Doubt that the inhabitants of Aiken Bks, Monaghan Mil Post, and Gormanstown Camp would take too kindly to being blanket labelled as "city boys"
    Last edited by FMolloy; 5th November 2006 at 18:41.

  14. #112
    Tim Horgan Goldie fish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    you already know too much
    Posts
    33,440
    Post Thanks / Like
    Saw one of said Vehicles over the weekend. Is there a minimum height requirment for drivers? They are quite a tall truck.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  15. #113
    Captain Truck Driver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Here And There...
    Posts
    10,459
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Saw one of said Vehicles over the weekend. Is there a minimum height requirment for drivers? They are quite a tall truck.
    Are these new Scanias essentially the same as the DROPS truck, but with
    troop carrying capacity in the back?

  16. #114
    Tim Horgan Goldie fish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    you already know too much
    Posts
    33,440
    Post Thanks / Like
    No, these are 6x6. I understand the cab is smaller too.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  17. #115
    C/S
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Dublin
    Posts
    3,319
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    The Army already use the Scania 420, Its correct title is the P124 420. It is in 8x8 Configuration, fitted with a version of DROPS, which Scania like to call Hooklifts.The only difference is the R124 420 will have the R cab instead of the P cab, and will be 6x6. The advantage being the shorter truck can carry a drawbar trailer without exceeding the Max vehicle length as current 8x8 drops do.The 8x4 truck will appear similar to the 8x8 but will have a Load handling crane.
    I saw something like this in Rathmines last week. In "office" configuration, camo was OG, black and rust with polished aluminium trim.....
    Last edited by Victor; 13th November 2006 at 13:11.

  18. #116
    Engineer Arkley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Arrow ZF Gearbox on Leyland

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Aiken View Post
    The DAFs / Laylands 4x4 are no good, did you ever hear a driver trying to find gear! The merc 4x4 were much better, far better truck and full military spec, the laylands bodies were even very poor.
    Why why did we not get more merc's.
    Haven't been in a iveco so I will not comment, but it would be hard to beat the merc
    The Leyland is using ZF Gearbox. Extremely robust and very good but on the Leyland Cab, it need some getting use to. The problem is changing from 3rd into 2nd often end up in 4th and from 4th into 3rd often end up in 5th.
    It is not the gearbox that is at fault, but the linkage between the box and the cabin is not properly tuned.
    Somehow the Indonesian has been able to fine tune their machine and they have no problem with their Leyland. They called it the MAESA PT44

    Last edited by Arkley; 13th March 2007 at 17:06. Reason: Add Picture

  19. #117
    Lord Chief Bottlewasher trellheim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Cathal Brugha
    Posts
    9,992
    Post Thanks / Like
    Knew I had seen it somewhere in response to an old post above :


    SI 5/2003 gives effect to maximum vehicle lengths in Ireland

    Section 26 says :

    This Regulation does not apply to -



    (a) a vehicle belonging to, or used for official purposes by, the Defence Forces,


    See:
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZSI5Y2003.html
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

  20. #118
    Commander in Chief hptmurphy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    13,791
    Post Thanks / Like
    Originally Posted by Frank Aiken
    "The DAFs / Laylands 4x4 are no good, did you ever hear a driver trying to find gear! The merc 4x4 were much better, far better truck and full military spec, the laylands bodies were even very poor.
    Why why did we not get more merc's.
    Haven't been in a iveco so I will not comment, but it would be hard to beat the merc"

    I think you'll find it quiet the opposite the DAF vehicle is far more user friendly than the mercedes to drive plus it has a roomier cab...the Iveco has been acknowledged as a disaster almost on the proportions of the Bedford MFRs. The Mercedes has a far higher cost per unit and is not a rugged nor is it as off road capabale as the DAF.Merc is a nice gucci truck and were purchased under spurious circumstances..should have stayed with either the DAF or the Merc but mixing Iveco and now scania is a disaster.
    Time for another break I think......

  21. #119
    Philomath Itchy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Kathryn Thomas' Patch...
    Posts
    1,088
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    ...black and rust ...
    Seen some Steyrs that colour too...
    Sex - Breakfast of Champions!

  22. #120
    Engineer Arkley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Smile Irish Technology

    Quote Originally Posted by ias View Post
    MN, I think you're confusing the Volvo/Timoney 8x8 HMT with a vehicle developed for the UKs DERA (Qinetic?). Timoney supplied the axels and suspension for that vehicle, it was a 6x6 by the way.

    IAS
    Timoney in engineering circle is equivalent to Guinness in pubs ... Irish at its best.
    Copied by many but never bettered.
    Awarding the contract to Timoney will do the government a lot of good, promoting Irish Defence Industry. Look at the success of the Bushmaster in Australia, thanks to Timoney, which eventually leads to the development of High Mobility Truck in Indonesia based on the Leyland. It is Indonesia but the inspiration comes from Ireland.
    Other than an off-road speeder, the Leyland now is also a rock crawler.

    :wink:
    http://www.pacifictec.net
    Attached Images Attached Images

  23. #121
    Tim Horgan Goldie fish's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    you already know too much
    Posts
    33,440
    Post Thanks / Like
    So basically they are leylands with Timoney suspension and final drive.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

  24. #122
    Engineer Arkley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Arrow Irish Connection

    Its a bit more complicated than that.
    Timoney came up with the first design using the same suspension as the one they put on the bushmaster. But it was rejected by the TNI (Indonesian Army) purely because it was too heavy.
    In the end they have succesfully created the Maesa with the help of South Africa. But the original idea came out of Ireland.
    During test, they actually run the vehicle fully laden for three days and three nights non-stop around Java with radiator only 2/3rd full. Only stop for top up and crew change.
    Independent suspension improves the ride considerably.
    The Leyland is an excellent truck.


    Attached Images Attached Images
    Last edited by Arkley; 13th March 2007 at 17:01.

  25. #123
    Captain Truck Driver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Here And There...
    Posts
    10,459
    Post Thanks / Like
    Yeh, I can see the Timoney influence in that pic of the Bushmaster above.
    It looks remarkably like the Timoney APC that was in service with the DF
    a few years ago

  26. #124
    Commander in Chief hptmurphy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    13,791
    Post Thanks / Like
    Timoneys in service here were a technological nightmare.Basic design was good but we nver had enough to warrant the outlay on sapres to make them fully operational.If the Df had invested as heavily as it has in Mowag products they might have been more sucessful but the theory at the time was buy small amounts and try maintain them without having to buy a service package...the cheap option........compare the longevity of the M3 because of the partnership with panhard..and the ready availabilty of spares and see why it lasted longer..not ness abetter product..just better supported.
    Time for another break I think......

  27. #125
    Engineer Arkley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    6
    Post Thanks / Like

    Arrow Irish Pride

    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Timoneys in service here were a technological nightmare.Basic design was good but we nver had enough to warrant the outlay on sapres to make them fully operational.If the Df had invested as heavily as it has in Mowag products they might have been more sucessful but the theory at the time was buy small amounts and try maintain them without having to buy a service package...the cheap option........compare the longevity of the M3 because of the partnership with panhard..and the ready availabilty of spares and see why it lasted longer..not ness abetter product..just better supported.


    I quite agree, the Gov should have supported Timoney more.
    Creating more Job and possible income from export.
    Now it is partly owned by foreign companies.
    Meaning .... revenues for foreign countries.
    Very sad..... Where has the Irish Pride gone .... ?
    Just look at what your Gov throw away..... :confused:
    Attached Images Attached Images
    Last edited by Arkley; 27th April 2007 at 20:31.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. DF deployment to Chad
    By Craghopper in forum Overseas
    Replies: 1762
    Last Post: 22nd February 2019, 22:25

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •