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    Ex Irish P20 class delivered to the Libyan Navy

    I noticed this on social media, one the P20's was delivered to the Libyan Navy in Benghazi recently. I hadn't heard about it anywhere else.
    She is bearing the name "Alkarama". They are calling the ship a frigate.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi6xVQLH9x8/

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    Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere.

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    According to Marine Traffic, it's ex-LE Aisling P23.

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    Was it gifted or sold? and i wonder how engine cooling will cope with the constant higher water temperature

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    It was sold to a Dutch broker, then advertised for sale with plans to turn it into a Super yacht.

    Seems the Dutch guy sold it to the Hafter faction. He seems to have control of whats left of their Navy, which begs the question what happened to the Soviet era Subs, Corvettes and mine sweepers they had?

    Don't see any guns or indeed any armaments on board the "frigate".

    I see LE Aishlings wiki has been updated, she's now the Libyan Flagship.

    What illustrious ends for the P20's ............................
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    Quote Originally Posted by restless View Post
    Was it gifted or sold? and i wonder how engine cooling will cope with the constant higher water temperature
    Did the one we gave to Malta need any modifications?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herald View Post
    It was sold to a Dutch broker, then advertised for sale with plans to turn it into a Super yacht.

    Seems the Dutch guy sold it to the Hafter faction. He seems to have control of whats left of their Navy, which begs the question what happened to the Soviet era Subs, Corvettes and mine sweepers they had?

    Don't see any guns or indeed any armaments on board the "frigate".

    I see LE Aishlings wiki has been updated, she's now the Libyan Flagship.

    What illustrious ends for the P20's ............................
    Most of their Naval bases suffered heavy air strikes from Allied forces in 2011. Coincidentally, part of the Op Sophia mission is to train the Navy and Coast guard.
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    Last edited by hptmurphy; 20th May 2018 at 19:08.
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    Wow! We are IN the top 100!
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Wow! We are IN the top 100!
    When did we add a few 100K, cause last time I looked we hadn't hit 5m?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Wow! We are IN the top 100!
    Does that qualify for a bye into the final round of WW3?
    Last edited by Orion; 20th May 2018 at 21:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Wow! We are IN the top 100!
    We are right up there with the big boys when it comes to external debt - $2 470 000 000 000. Lower than US, Uk, France, Netherlands and Japan - higher than everybody else.
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    Video of the handover ceremony.

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    Delivered very empty it would appear given her marks in the water. It'll be interesting to see what weapons will be fitted.
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    Given the proliferation of Russian weapons, it could be a mix of Zu 23s and Dshka's and a few sundry SA-7 and RPG-7s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Delivered very empty it would appear given her marks in the water. It'll be interesting to see what weapons will be fitted.
    May just strap a Toyota Hilux (special edition) to the front

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Delivered very empty it would appear given her marks in the water. It'll be interesting to see what weapons will be fitted.
    Given that the distance from Netherlands to Benghazi Libya is about 3500 nm or at least 12 days at sea burning fuel and using water, she would be running a little light. Mostly depends on speed, I'm guessing 12 knots for economy. She is probably also awaiting stores and armament and CREW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pilatus View Post


    Video of the handover ceremony.
    The NEW Libyan Naval Vessel has been announced by the Libyan Authorities as a return of a Libyan vessel from a seven year sojourn elsewhere. As it is definitely one of our P21 class it demonstrates the inability of Middle Eastern peoples to tell the plain truth on any matter without shame or embarrassment .

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    Fuxache
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    he NEW Libyan Naval Vessel has been announced by the Libyan Authorities as a return of a Libyan vessel from a seven year sojourn elsewhere. As it is definitely one of our P21 class it demonstrates the inability of Middle Eastern peoples to tell the plain truth on any matter without shame or embarrassment .
    So its only been resting in our 'Naval Service' for that time.....
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    Looks like the Iraqi information minister had an understudy!
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    LÉ Aisling finds new lease of life with Libyan warlord

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...rd-471019.html

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    They did send a ship off to be refitted, possibly to Malta. To this guys followers, a ship is a ship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    LÉ Aisling finds new lease of life with Libyan warlord

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/irelan...rd-471019.html
    It was in the news again for contravention of a UN Disarmament protocol. it has been fitted with a 40mm gun + 2x2omm. Selling proven vessels on the open market ,which has ALWAYS been permeated by shady characters, leads to ships being passed from hand to hand . it happened with the break up of ISL, the Aircorps Helos, and two of our Naval Ships. Lack of National pride and a horse Fair mentality leaves us ripe for ridicule and made look like idiots by our civilian bosses.

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    So what should we do to control their post service end use? I'm sure I am not alone here hoping to see a more honourable fate for L.E. Eithne when she inevitably retires from service.
    Clearly selling the ship, or any asset, at public auction has failed us and looks bad for our international reputation.
    Is it better to mothball the ship, and lay her up somewhere as a floating training room with occasional trips to sea, until her day comes to meet the cutting torch?
    Because I would be very uncomfortable seeing the ship i watched go down the Verolme slip on a wet dark december day in 1983, end up rusting away as her new owners conversion plans fall by the wayside, or becoming the platform of some glorified foreign gangster.

    Let's keep then until they are about to sink, anchor them behind haulbowline so they can be used by NMCI for classrooms, when it looks like they are about to sink, tow them to sea and sink them honourably, for divers to explore, like Isaalt or Muirchu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    So what should we do to control their post service end use? I'm sure I am not alone here hoping to see a more honourable fate for L.E. Eithne when she inevitably retires from service.
    Clearly selling the ship, or any asset, at public auction has failed us and looks bad for our international reputation.
    Is it better to mothball the ship, and lay her up somewhere as a floating training room with occasional trips to sea, until her day comes to meet the cutting torch?
    Because I would be very uncomfortable seeing the ship i watched go down the Verolme slip on a wet dark december day in 1983, end up rusting away as her new owners conversion plans fall by the wayside, or becoming the platform of some glorified foreign gangster.

    Let's keep then until they are about to sink, anchor them behind haulbowline so they can be used by NMCI for classrooms, when it looks like they are about to sink, tow them to sea and sink them honourably, for divers to explore, like Isaalt or Muirchu.
    If they are not usable within Defence control, then they should be sanitised of pollutants, such as oils or carcinogens , and used in a sinkex offshore as you suggest.

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