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    Battle in Chad

    Does the wing have eyes in the sky from other EUFOR contributors? Do our boys even have top cover????Where were the french recce air craft!!!!!! I dunno if any of you read Combat and Survival but this month has an article on the mission in Chad and to be honest ladies it ****in war out there!!! Great pictures of a UFDD technical destroyed plus a body or two after battle,, the rebels made shit of Chadian Army unit armed with Isreali mad RAM APCs,, These Chadian Forces are kitted out with Isreali weapons,, digital combat uniforms even, yet the rebels walked over them,, 1 enemy convoy was 240 4x4 vehicles crossed the Sudanese border,,, not far from Abeche!!! Dont like the thoughts of any of ours put in that situ,, granted id say the rangers didnt faulter but 300!!! come on like!!!
    The chadian president Idriss Deby took command of a battle in his APC Command veh. and guess what he fell into a trap and was surrounded!!! but he got out due to a Hind Attack heli hovered on the spot and gave everything it had to the rebels,, wasnt shot down either but badly damaged and the belorussian crewman got a bit of a pasting!! Far play the saved the President!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    Just read the post in boards.ie, They came out of nowhere ,, does not say a lot for ARW capacity, and then the arrogance of the spokesman to say that the rebels would not have the capacity that we have..Luckily for the Irish the rebels did not decide to attack Not much good having firepower if u are wiped out in an ambush .. These rebels are on their home turf , know the terrian, have battle experience , have a different attitude to casualties and dying than the western mentality ( Inshallah and all that) and do not need anything like the logistics lines that the EU force require, they can probably survive on a lt of water a day, sleep wrapped up in a blanket on the ground , wipe their ass with grass or sand have well proven weapons , Yes its of the thread but I fear another Niemba,black hawk down scenario , underestimate the enemy oh sorry there is no enemy we are here to keep the peace.
    I served with the "spokesman" at home and abroad. He is not arrogant and never has been, he is in fact a fine Officer. I'm sure his assessment of the capabilities of the rebels has been formed from sound intelligence and research, unlike the crock of shit you posted.

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    I am sure there many fine officers who have gotten in wrong, Like the fine russian or british, officers who got in wrong re Afghanistan or the US officers in Vietnam, or the brits in Ireland many years ago, do I need to go on.
    The facts are that a significant proportion of the most highly trained unit of the DF was surronded by a numerically superior rebel force ,,, and as there own member is quoted as saying they came out of nowhere.. in other words not detected until they were surronded.. Now does this reflect on the lack of capacity of the arw or the capacity of the rebels? If it is not a reflection on the ARW capacity then how did they allow themselves to get into this position .. Questions questions,,
    As regards arrogance whether the individual is arrogant or not is neither here nor there .. the statement he made smacks of arrogance etc. As regards it being based on sound intelligence etc it does not really fly in the face of what had already transpired ,
    How do I base my crock of shit , , over 20 years in Africa, and some time also in Asia some in military/paramilitary / civilian role and experience of operations conflict and post in many of the continents trouble spots with several different rebel groups that have included Sudan, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Somalia, DRC, Uganda , Nigeria, Sri Lanka, Palestine .. Yes it does not include Chad.
    So If u dont like what u hear dont try and throw shit at the messenger instead look at what is being said and the real concerns that are being raised.

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    Bandit form your c.v you are painting yourself as a merc.Am i correct ?(of course you will say i am not)May i ask what ,if any ,is your connection to the irish defence forces?And your first hand experience of it?:confused:Also what "concerns " do you have to raise.It seems to me that most of your posts imply that you have more knowledge/skills than the professionals.Could you qualify this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    I am sure there many fine officers who have gotten in wrong, Like the fine russian or british, officers who got in wrong re Afghanistan or the US officers in Vietnam, or the brits in Ireland many years ago, do I need to go on.
    The facts are that a significant proportion of the most highly trained unit of the DF was surronded by a numerically superior rebel force ,,, and as there own member is quoted as saying they came out of nowhere.. in other words not detected until they were surronded.. Now does this reflect on the lack of capacity of the arw or the capacity of the rebels? If it is not a reflection on the ARW capacity then how did they allow themselves to get into this position .. Questions questions,,
    As regards arrogance whether the individual is arrogant or not is neither here nor there .. the statement he made smacks of arrogance etc. As regards it being based on sound intelligence etc it does not really fly in the face of what had already transpired ,
    How do I base my crock of shit , , over 20 years in Africa, and some time also in Asia some in military/paramilitary / civilian role and experience of operations conflict and post in many of the continents trouble spots with several different rebel groups that have included Sudan, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Somalia, DRC, Uganda , Nigeria, Sri Lanka, Palestine .. Yes it does not include Chad.
    So If u dont like what u hear dont try and throw shit at the messenger instead look at what is being said and the real concerns that are being raised.
    You're a walt and a bullshit merchant. PM me your CV and I'll have it verified. Otherwise Foxtrot Oscar and stop commenting on situations you obviously know fcuk all about. Africa 20 years blah blah blah.... wanker

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    uh oh.....
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    Not a walt,
    Why Concerned? Irish Citizen and even pay tax on some property rent. PDF , Several years in RDF and PDF NCO, Infantry unit, before going to Africa late 70s , Close relatives still in PDF, Military work in Africa 78.79 not Merc, returned to Europe studies incl. ,Grad and Post Grad in Engineeering, Rtn Africa worked for national Govts, UN , prvate Companies in various roles. Continue to be based in Africa . Off within next two weeks for assignment in relation to DDR in DRC. So no waltering involved so now can we get back to the performance of our highly trained and expensive ARW troops . and if you have a few probs with your under achieving life that your prob go for a wlk in the wicklow hills.
    As regards professionsl how amnt time shave amatuers beaten the professionals,look at our own history

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    Not a walt,
    Why Concerned? Irish Citizen and even pay tax on some property rent. PDF , Several years in RDF and PDF NCO, Infantry unit, before going to Africa late 70s , Close relatives still in PDF, Military work in Africa 78.79 not Merc, returned to Europe studies incl. ,Grad and Post Grad in Engineeering, Rtn Africa worked for national Govts, UN , prvate Companies in various roles. Continue to be based in Africa . Off within next two weeks for assignment in relation to DDR in DRC. So no waltering involved so now can we get back to the performance of our highly trained and expensive ARW troops . and if you have a few probs with your under achieving life that your prob go for a wlk in the wicklow hills.
    As regards professionsl how amnt time shave amatuers beaten the professionals,look at our own history
    FFS............................................... ........

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    FFS ... is that it , Just when it was getting interesting,, You still have not commented on the ARW /rebel incident..
    As regards APOD comments my posts may question some of the assumption that people accept . I however think that the comments re the ARW incident are still valid , its just luckly that the rebels had no hostile intent , otherwise the Chad mission could have come to a very quick end..

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    [QUOTE=BANDIT;209489]
    FFS ... is that it , Just when it was getting interesting,, You still have not commented on the ARW /rebel incident..
    I can't comment on it because I wasn't there. Neither were you.


    I however think that the comments re the ARW incident are still valid , its just luckly that the rebels had no hostile intent , otherwise the Chad mission could have come to a very quick end..
    How do you know what their intent was? Maybe they didn't have the bottle to take on the lads. Maybe the lads weren't as surrounded and vulnerable as you think.

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    My dick is bigger than all of yours.


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    And my Dad will kick your dads ass. Now Pissing contest over? Good.


    Personally I think the Wing get paid feck all considering they have to do stuff that is Dangerous as hell. But, Compared to other countries it isnt too bad. And in the Contracter industry they could get soo much more but they dont go that way and that is where alot of my respect for them comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    My dick is bigger than all of yours.
    I'm not quite sure how defending the reputation of the Defence Forces and a Unit within the Defence Forces from asinine comments can be considered a pissing contest as some other clown calls it and you intimate. You being the self professed biggest dick I'm sure you can enlighten me.

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    If you rise above the child-like insult exchanging for a moment, I think you will understand the point I am making is that it is impossible to verify anyones credentials here.
    In particular, questioning someones credentials and insulting them, because you claim to be "defending the reputation", seems a tad ironic, don't you think?

    Bandit has many times in the past put his career on record here since he begun posting in 2005. It is easily verifiable.

    Who are you?


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    [QUOTE][QUOTE=Goldie fish;209535]If you rise above the child-like insult exchanging for a moment, I think you will understand the point I am making is that it is impossible to verify anyones credentials here.

    Bandit has many times in the past put his career on record here since he begun posting in 2005. It is easily verifiable.QUOTE]


    Which one is it then?

    With regard to the insults flying I accept your point, the blood was a bit on the boil. I retract them and apologise. At the end of the day they are Irish troops serving their Country overseas in difficult conditions. They should be supported and not exposed to critisism based on presumption, ignorance or prejudice. Bandit allegedly knows the rules of academia, if it can't be supported it can't be printed.
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    Why Concerned? Irish Citizen and even pay tax on some property rent. PDF , Several years in RDF and PDF NCO, Infantry unit, before going to Africa late 70s , Close relatives still in PDF, Military work in Africa 78.79 not Merc, returned to Europe studies incl. ,Grad and Post Grad in Engineeering, Rtn Africa worked for national Govts, UN , prvate Companies in various roles. Continue to be based in Africa . Off within next two weeks for assignment in relation to DDR in DRC.
    Interesting resume.


    So no waltering involved so now can we get back to the performance of our highly trained and expensive ARW troops
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    Do you have a problem with their performance?Or could you do it better??


    and if you have a few probs with your under achieving life that your prob go for a wlk in the wicklow hills.
    What makes you think i have any problems with my life??Underachieving?Hardly

    As regards professionsl how amnt time shave amatuers beaten the professionals,look at our own history
    Fair point,but i wouldnt be so quick to write off training,attitude and commitment.All are force multipliers.

    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    FFS ... is that it , Just when it was getting interesting,, You still have not commented on the ARW /rebel incident..
    As regards APOD comments my posts may question some of the assumption that people accept . I however think that the comments re the ARW incident are still valid , its just luckly that the rebels had no hostile intent , otherwise the Chad mission could have come to a very quick end..
    I dont think so.No more thyan when Derek mooney(R.I.P) was killed less than 2 weeks into the Liberia mission.The mission would go on.Thats why we are called professional soldiers.

    [QUOTE=Malek;209536][QUOTE][QUOTE=Goldie fish;209535]If you rise above the child-like insult exchanging for a moment, I think you will understand the point I am making is that it is impossible to verify anyones credentials here.
    All true.

    Bandit has many times in the past put his career on record here since he begun posting in 2005. It is easily verifiable.QUOTE]


    Which one is it then?
    Exactly.

    At the end of the day they are Irish troops serving their Country overseas in difficult conditions. They should be supported and not exposed to critisism based on presumption, ignorance or prejudice. Bandit allegedly knows the rules of academia, if it can't be supported it can't be printed.
    hear,hear.Those lads and the troops that went out this week face a long slog and it wont be easy.I think a little less of the armchair generaling around here would be better.lets just support them instead.
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    correct me if im wrong but i thought the title of this thread was 'Ranger Wing Pay SNAFU'......and what is posted above belongs somewhere else....take it to the playground
    No b*stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb b*stard die for his country

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    Hurrah lets all have Militaryphotos.net/Daily Star - "Our troops are so amazing they make me so horny" type posts instead.

    Perhaps a better resolution would be for people to employ a bit of reflexive critical reasoning before posting. Consider what might be wrong in what you're saying before you go charging in like a complete see you next tuesday.

    Apod has a point though, too much of this smarmy let's pull sh*t down so we don't seem so small attitude appears on this board and is a reflection of a broader Irish society which puts individual preferences and interests above all else.
    The Defence Forces thankfully remains at least slightly insulated against this sort of thinking by the nature of its purpose. Something posters on this board should strive to exemplify.
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    Pay and allowances of specialist units are reflected by the size of the military

    and the military Budget each country has to spend.

    Not much point in going whining to the papers and in the process revealing info

    that should be kept under ones little green cap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connaught Stranger View Post
    Pay and allowances of specialist units are reflected by the size of the military

    and the military Budget each country has to spend.

    Not much point in going whining to the papers and in the process revealing info

    that should be kept under ones little green cap

    Connaught Stranger.
    And you know for a fact that it came from someone wearing a green 'cap'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malek View Post
    And you know for a fact that it came from someone wearing a green 'cap'.

    Personally Mate, I doubt it did..You know the media and all:wink:

    I was talking to one of the Guys before he went to Chad..and they are seeking ONLY what they think they are entitled to..

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    The intention is not to put anybody down least of all the DF. However raising concerns and debate and objective evaluation is another issue that in the long run supports the development of the DF. Lack of which allows complacency, self satisfaction and inertia to set in.Otherwise armies would be still be wearing red uniforms and pith helmets.
    There is an element of they are so good that they can do no wrong or Irish troops have a way about them that they can always talk themselves out of trouble or we are Irish so are neutral so we will not be harmed, we have no colonial history etc. That in many ways may eb true but is not related to our militay capacity.
    = Having said that I have been very proud to hear very good feedback from various sources many of whom were well qualified to compare and judge re our troops in places like Somalia and Liberia,, However troops, units armies cannot rest on their laurels. For the Irish who have not been engaged in combat it is even more important as we do not have the opportunity and the continous challenge to adjust, adapt and devlop from battle experience.
    As regards fatalities on such missions , our casualtity in Liberia was from a driving accident and in East Timor from an AD RIP to both of them, .. when there were casualties in the Leb I well remember a public debate on whether our troops should even be there.
    I am not sure how Joe Public would react to 10-15 cas, coming out of Chad a place that most people could not find on a map.
    Its not a pissing contest and attempting to make it one distracts from the discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    The intention is not to put anybody down least of all the DF. However raising concerns and debate and objective evaluation is another issue that in the long run supports the development of the DF. Lack of which allows complacency, self satisfaction and inertia to set in.Otherwise armies would be still be wearing red uniforms and pith helmets.
    There is an element of they are so good that they can do no wrong or Irish troops have a way about them that they can always talk themselves out of trouble or we are Irish so are neutral so we will not be harmed, we have no colonial history etc. That in many ways may eb true but is not related to our militay capacity.
    = Having said that I have been very proud to hear very good feedback from various sources many of whom were well qualified to compare and judge re our troops in places like Somalia and Liberia,, However troops, units armies cannot rest on their laurels. For the Irish who have not been engaged in combat it is even more important as we do not have the opportunity and the continous challenge to adjust, adapt and devlop from battle experience.
    As regards fatalities on such missions , our casualtity in Liberia was from a driving accident and in East Timor from an AD RIP to both of them, .. when there were casualties in the Leb I well remember a public debate on whether our troops should even be there.
    I am not sure how Joe Public would react to 10-15 cas, coming out of Chad a place that most people could not find on a map.
    Its not a pissing contest and attempting to make it one distracts from the discussion
    I cannot believe that an alleged "grad and post grad" can post this shit!

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    If its on boards.ie it must be true!

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    guys guys guys

    BANDIT (and a certain tank driver on boards.ie) raise fair points; nobody's perfect and everyone can learn from their mistakes.

    the guys got away this time (with a combination of luck/skill/diplomacy in what proportion none of us really know) but I am sure there are lessons to be learnt.

    no i couldnt do it any better myself, but to knock everyone who raises questions is a bad attitude to have.

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