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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    It would actually be cheaper to issue a second smock than to issue the barrack jacket RDF.
    True actually.The new type smocks are cheaper than the Bks jacket.However as the Bks jacket is not worn for Tactical training it should last longer.

    The issue is not better gear just so much of it.. and look at the long logs tail it must create..
    Why would that create a longer logs trail?If an item of clothing has replaced an older item then the amount of kit remains the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    True actually.The new type smocks are cheaper than the Bks jacket.However as the Bks jacket is not worn for Tactical training it should last longer...
    Yes, but unfortunately, new intake RDF personnel may get issued the Bks jacket first, and what happens when recruits go on FTT, and have to do tac training as
    per the syllabus ? Watch this space, I certainly can't see two issues occurring (jacket and field smock) in this case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic-Warrior View Post
    I think you are entitled to a second smock after 3 or 5 years but most CQs will speed that up if your smock is damaged torn or whatever be worth asking lads that are in a while if they have any buckshee or most PDF lads should be able to source one for ya!
    As a member of the RDF, the initial issue is 1 smock, at no point should you have 2 (as per the regs).

    If the smock requires replacement within the notional life (3 years) you are (supposed) to pay a percentage of the cost (depending on how long you have had it - basically repreciation).

    If you require a replacement after 3 years it is free.

    All kit requiring replacement is supposed to be returned to stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    Yeah had an issue string vest and also the wollie long johns that no one could wear.. Spandex yes always feel threathened when grown men start dressing up like a bunch of tarts.. The issue is not better gear just so much of it.. and look at the long logs tail it must create..also H&S thing gone way to far, saw a video of the new assault course in the curragh, where is the mud shit water etc, its like a romper room plaything, yes I am sure it would wear u out but so would a Jane Fonda( Who?) video in her spandex..What next aerobics classes for ..spendex.. leotards. and then swagger sticks , sounds perverse
    I guess you have not being showen the DPM mankinies yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    I guess you have not being showen the DPM mankinies yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    All kit requiring replacement is supposed to be returned to stores.
    You have no spare smock, then ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Sad.
    Dont tell me.Let me guess.2 Bn.Right.
    It's called a Barrack Jacket by everyone up that way.

    So all you flamers can't pin that one on us.

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    Supposed to be - that regulation wasn't always in force AFAIK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Alaska View Post
    It's called a Barrack Jacket by everyone up that way.

    So all you flamers can't pin that one on us.
    He was referring to the "Westlife" nickname, I think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Supposed to be - that regulation wasn't always in force AFAIK
    TBH, I think you should be allowed to accumulate a smock and a spare, after that, any further issues only happen when a return
    is made - thus you can return your oldest / poorest condition smock
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    As a member of the RDF, the initial issue is 1 smock, at no point should you have 2 (as per the regs).

    If the smock requires replacement within the notional life (3 years) you are (supposed) to pay a percentage of the cost (depending on how long you have had it - basically repreciation).

    If you require a replacement after 3 years it is free.

    All kit requiring replacement is supposed to be returned to stores.
    This issue of the notional life is something the vast majority of people do not understand correctly. I hope the below helps dispel some myths.

    The notional life is there if the individual damages it or loses it though his own negligence. It the item is worn out due to use its considered fair wear and tear.

    Example: A pair of runners has a notional life of a year. If you lose them though negligence after (for example) 6 months you will be required for pay 50% of that in order to be given a replacement pair. If after 6 months they're just worn out due to frequent use you will be issued a new pair as fair wear and tear.

    There's even CQ's out there that don't fully understand that this is the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooley View Post
    This issue of the notional life is something the vast majority of people do not understand correctly. I hope the below helps dispel some myths.

    The notional life is there if the individual damages it or loses it though his own negligence. It the item is worn out due to use its considered fair wear and tear.

    Example: A pair of runners has a notional life of a year. If you lose them though negligence after (for example) 6 months you will be required for pay 50% of that in order to be given a replacement pair. If after 6 months they're just worn out due to frequent use you will be issued a new pair as fair wear and tear.

    There's even CQ's out there that don't fully understand that this is the case.
    Thanks Cooley - I'd well believe that to be the case alright

    Just out of curiosity,a s you are in the PDF, do you have more than one smock ?
    Just by way of illustration of the above points - I can already guess the likely answer

    FWT - yep, although some CQ's are reluctant to divvy out new kit even then
    I don't know what it is about some Stores personnel - it's like as if the damn kit is coming out of their
    own pockets directly !

    I like the story someone came out with on another thread here a couple of years back. Basically the guy needed to get a
    smock replaced on FWT - was essentially told to f*** off by the Stores personnel

    Went on a CO's (PDF type) parade with the smock in rag order. Needless to say, the CO was not impressed with the condition
    of the uniform, but when the individual told his CO what had transpired, even down to naming the CQ, a quick phone call
    resolved the issue fairly rapidly

    Also, I'd heard the notional life of a smock is FIVE years, rather than the THREE years mentioned above - can anyone confirm ?
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    Harking back to the World Special Olympics, when they were held in Ireland

    Some of our lads were driving for the duration, and were required to be in shirt order with slacks and shoes, as they
    were going to be driving saloons for the duration, kindly donated by Toyota for the Games

    Lads report to the stores in CBB, with the 245B's duly filled in, to get a shirt, slacks and shoes

    Stores told them to take a hike, required kit not on the scale of issue to RDF

    Phone call to the OC, who said "put someone on that end on the line..."

    At which point, smoke was seen to emit from the earpiece of the mobile

    A chastened NCO turned to his assistant and said "Give them what they want..."

    Not a willy measuring competition, but sometimes the comms between each end of the same piece of string are appalling...
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    You have no spare smock, then ?
    No...just the one...still have it!

    Also, I'd heard the notional life of a smock is FIVE years, rather than the THREE years mentioned above - can anyone confirm
    RDF vs PDF perhaps?

    I had mine from day one they were issued, my attitude was if I didn't need it give it to someone who hadn't one.Howmany sets of kit does a reservist need?

    By the end of my time I had six shirts plus trousers,jumpers still in the bag,Fleece never worn, and socks that couldn't be worn. Khaki shirts falling out of the wardrobe....two issue green tee shirts and about 10 I bought...just in case....not even going down the boots list....and guess what even though I exited in 2009..I still have it all......Why?????
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    RDF vs PDF perhaps?
    Yep, maybe...

    ....and guess what even though I exited in 2009..I still have it all......Why?????
    I don't know, but it may be an interesting answer
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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    By the end of my time I had six shirts plus trousers,jumpers still in the bag,Fleece never worn, and socks that couldn't be worn. Khaki shirts falling out of the wardrobe....two issue green tee shirts and about 10 I bought...just in case....not even going down the boots list....and guess what even though I exited in 2009..I still have it all......Why?????



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    Yep Apod , still didnt answer how many wardrobes do u need for all the Kit..HPt just mentioned he was overloaded with kit... special jacket for the barracks, special jacket for the field, Big tricolours just in case u wont be seen in your special blue helmet and flak ja, sorry body armour thingy, Name tags in case u forget your name? How many types of boots and how many pairs of footwear is an Infantryman suppose to have these days. and dont forget the knee pads, goggles , tactical gloves, armoured jock strap etc and whatever the Manikinis thing is ,,,,,Now they have so much kit the qm is getting rid of green Tshirts or Dri Flos whatever they are, Its gone overboard ,, from a day when u had to almost fight for kit and gear.. but somehow managed to acquire sufficient , two ( three) pairs of combats, 2 + 1 pair of boots, shity sweaters , used to use my own round neck when on duty under jacket , green t shirts we bought in Dunnes, acquired a new flak jacket from the depot in the brugha and switched it with my own issue one that was old and had a shitty looking cover, track suit as long johns and 1958 webbing what more do u need, best rifle ever issued, and dont forget the Poncho a great pice of kit and not bad looking either if worn properly ... what more do u need but then again as a border bunny we did a lot of duties in those days so need for barrack jackets as we were seldom in barracks and still managed to win all army shooting competitions, an cosanteoir runs etc ..

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    yeah... on the exercise and assessments with RDF last year I noticed a lot of gucci soldiers buckling under the pressure of carrying bergans a couple of miles... i had a laugh at that one they finally made us hump our gear to the patrol harbor areas, boy was i a happy bunny as in my unit at least we've been doing PT once a week and most of us have invested money and or personal time and joined gyms or have weights at home and go running in the hills etc and have been training so that when (on the few occassions that we get to) carrying bergans and weapons you arent just thinking "F**K me this is heavy, I cant wait to drop it" but are instead concentrating on the drills etc. Give us decent kit that we need to carry out the job of a soldier instead of the kit that makes us just look like soldiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truck Driver View Post
    Just out of curiosity,a s you are in the PDF, do you have more than one smock ?
    Just by way of illustration of the above points - I can already guess the likely answer
    I have 2, will become 3 when I'm eventually told I have to start wearing the new issue smock.

    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus View Post
    Give us decent kit that we need to carry out the job of a soldier instead of the kit that makes us just look like soldiers.
    Troops carrying too much kit has nothing to do with the scale of issue available to them and everything to do with their own personal choices when it comes to packing kit.

    All this "Well back in my day, we did it all in a pair of ball strangers, armed with an FN and one magazine" is a load of cock.

    Times change, technologies and battlefields evolve. Go to a Recce det. and have a look in their packs. OP Kit, Sophie, Lucie, Mono, Kite, Midi Kite, frontline ammo, 2 radio's plus batteries, PRR's, Toughbook, camera, CBA etc. it's all kit that's needed for the detachment to function properly and do their job. All that is before anyone tries packing their personal kit.

    All the above is kit that is needed to carry out the job and issued by the DF. Even with the above, there's more kit we're missing out on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    Yep Apod , still didnt answer how many wardrobes do u need for all the Kit..HPt just mentioned he was overloaded with kit... special jacket for the barracks, special jacket for the field, Big tricolours just in case u wont be seen in your special blue helmet and flak ja, sorry body armour thingy, Name tags in case u forget your name? How many types of boots and how many pairs of footwear is an Infantryman suppose to have these days. and dont forget the knee pads, goggles , tactical gloves, armoured jock strap etc and whatever the Manikinis thing is ,,,,,Now they have so much kit the qm is getting rid of green Tshirts or Dri Flos whatever they are, Its gone overboard ,, from a day when u had to almost fight for kit and gear.. but somehow managed to acquire sufficient , two ( three) pairs of combats, 2 + 1 pair of boots, shity sweaters , used to use my own round neck when on duty under jacket , green t shirts we bought in Dunnes, acquired a new flak jacket from the depot in the brugha and switched it with my own issue one that was old and had a shitty looking cover, track suit as long johns and 1958 webbing what more do u need, best rifle ever issued, and dont forget the Poncho a great pice of kit and not bad looking either if worn properly ... what more do u need but then again as a border bunny we did a lot of duties in those days so need for barrack jackets as we were seldom in barracks and still managed to win all army shooting competitions, an cosanteoir runs etc ..
    Not going to respond to this crap Bandit.You are just blatantly trolling.Trying to get a bite.Not giving you one.Had to laugh at the Mankinis thing though. Showing your age when you don't know when someone is pulling the piss out of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BANDIT View Post
    Yep Apod , still didnt answer how many wardrobes do u need for all the Kit..HPt just mentioned he was overloaded with kit... special jacket for the barracks, special jacket for the field, Big tricolours just in case u wont be seen in your special blue helmet and flak ja, sorry body armour thingy, Name tags in case u forget your name? How many types of boots and how many pairs of footwear is an Infantryman suppose to have these days. and dont forget the knee pads, goggles , tactical gloves, armoured jock strap etc and whatever the Manikinis thing is ,,,,,Now they have so much kit the qm is getting rid of green Tshirts or Dri Flos whatever they are, Its gone overboard ,, from a day when u had to almost fight for kit and gear.. but somehow managed to acquire sufficient , two ( three) pairs of combats, 2 + 1 pair of boots, shity sweaters , used to use my own round neck when on duty under jacket , green t shirts we bought in Dunnes, acquired a new flak jacket from the depot in the brugha and switched it with my own issue one that was old and had a shitty looking cover, track suit as long johns and 1958 webbing what more do u need, best rifle ever issued, and dont forget the Poncho a great pice of kit and not bad looking either if worn properly ... what more do u need but then again as a border bunny we did a lot of duties in those days so need for barrack jackets as we were seldom in barracks and still managed to win all army shooting competitions, an cosanteoir runs etc ..
    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Not going to respond to this crap Bandit.You are just blatantly trolling.Trying to get a bite.Not giving you one.Had to laugh at the Mankinis thing though. Showing your age when you don't know when someone is pulling the piss out of you.
    Especiallly for you, Bandit.... >>THIS << is a mankini.....
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    hey apod thansk for the ingo on Manikini, if that was the only tghing showing my age I would be happy..
    Now back to subject
    No the scale of equipment is what an army has to lug around, just look at the implications of this in Afghanistan and the fact that 25% of the us logs budget is going to pay protection for the transport of all the bits and bobs across Pakistan and fuel Taliban coffers,. No its not about in my day etc etc an fn and a mag,
    My career after the DF took many forms some of which involved soldiering in another uniform and in various security and paramilitary roles over 20 yrs. My Philospohy was always to minimize kit, take what was necessary and travel as light as possible. I was fortunate /Unfortunate who knows ? to be part of what was recognised as one of the best coin forces in the world. Kit was an FN and as many mags , a few grenades , med kit water and very simple webbing, rations and a tiny gaz stove ....no goggles, no gloves, or f--- knee pads etc, In another job (paramilitary) I would lead a team of 4 to 10 black guys on anti poachng patrols , 3 to 14 days , all kit contained in a 20 dollar back pack , (mine was bought in Feredays Harare,) I also had a type of fishing jacket // that I had bought in Alpha bargains , I used to carry ammo , small med kit and 2 water bottle in that , Patrols often covered over 200km and on average at least one conatct each patrol, o and a floppie on your head, ( a boonie hat) and before Horgan says anything not that type of floppie.. we has joy we had fun.etc.. but today it seems like the nanny state has taken over, assault courses designed to be romper rooom safe, u u cannot polok out a recruit , PD Health and safety ,, war is not a very safe endevour.. ......

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    But, with respect bandit, your combat environment was always the same. The Irish DF can be in desert one year, monsoon another, and continental winter the next. It needs to have the correct equipment for each. So the option is, like the US, have a different uniform for each zone you operate, or have a kit that can be adapted for each.

    Incidently, the Elmer Fudds get a great look in at photos of the recent 120 Mortar shoot in the glen.


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    Been trying to pick an elmer fudd but it seems they cant be got for love nor money!
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