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"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAccording to the directive the Inf run a pln, Cav another etc etc
Each corps will run its own pln of recruits?
Isn't that just going back to the old way?
Wasn't the strength of PAs drastically reduces?
Surely Inf is the biggest corps and therefore need substantially more recruits?
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Originally posted by Saab View PostAm I reading you right.
Each corps will run its own pln of recruits?
Isn't that just going back to the old way?
Wasn't the strength of PAs drastically reduces?
Surely Inf is the biggest corps and therefore need substantially more recruits?"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by DeV View PostThey finally got the strength of the RDF (30 Jun 14) - appears to be total strength:
Total 2326
AR 2188
NSR 138"Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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Originally posted by Saab View PostAm I reading you right.
Each corps will run its own pln of recruits?
Isn't that just going back to the old way?
Wasn't the strength of PAs drastically reduces?
Surely Inf is the biggest corps and therefore need substantially more recruits?
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Well, that was a shock...not an unexpected one but didn't think it would be as bad as it is.
The current establishment figures!!!
Pulled out the old establishment figures that were the ones people were working off of dated 30 Sep 2012.
Now the real shock!
Based on the old and current figures, the Army Reserve has lost 62% of its Privates in 19 months. That is a damning statement.
The Army Reserve lost 43% of its Cpls and 36% of its Sgts. That is the lifeblood of the RDF draining away. It can easily afford to lose officers and senior NCOs but the real loss where it will really hurt.
The over all figures (Army Reserve Only)
Ok, I know that some of this would (hopefully) be a clearing out of the books but they are still extremely damning figures. The RDF has 250 recruits coming in (AR & NSR). And we still haven't even begun to lose personnel due to KPIs which will likely to be another large number.Rank 30 Sep 12 30 Jun 14 % Loss Est Lt Col 0 5 Gain 5 Comdt 77 40 48 60 Capt 151 112 26 107 Lt 239 229 4 110 SM 12 8 33 1 BQ 12 10 17 0 CS 80 59 26 36 CQ 70 72 Gain ??? 36 Sgt 525 337 36 303 Cpl 736 417 43 710 Pte 2391 899 62 2501 Total 4293 2188 49 3869
The real scary thing is that these are the OFFICIAL Establishment figures - figures which never really reflected reality anyway. Things were always worse than the official figures.Last edited by madden; 23 July 2014, 09:51.
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Originally posted by madden View PostWell, that was a shock...not an unexpected one but didn't think it would be as bad as it is.
The current establishment figures!!!
Pulled out the old establishment figures that were the ones people were working off of dated 30 Sep 2012.
Now the real shock!
Based on the old and current figures, the Army Reserve has lost 62% of its Privates in 19 months. That is a damning statement.
The Army Reserve lost 43% of its Cpls and 36% of its Sgts. That is the lifeblood of the RDF draining away. It can easily afford to lose officers and senior NCOs but the real loss where it will really hurt.
The over all figures (Army Reserve Only)
Ok, I know that some of this would (hopefully) be a clearing out of the books but they are still extremely damning figures. The RDF has 250 recruits coming in (AR & NSR). And we still haven't even begun to lose personnel due to KPIs which will likely to be another large number.Rank 30 Sep 12 30 Jun 14 % Loss Est Lt Col 0 5 Gain 5 Comdt 77 40 48 60 Capt 151 112 26 107 Lt 239 229 4 110 SM 12 8 33 1 BQ 12 10 17 0 CS 80 59 26 36 CQ 70 72 Gain ??? 36 Sgt 525 337 36 303 Cpl 736 417 43 710 Pte 2391 899 62 2501 Total 4293 2188 49 3869
The real scary thing is that these are the OFFICIAL Establishment figures - figures which never really reflected reality anyway. Things were always worse than the official figures.
Fill vacancies for Comdt, Capt, Sgt & Cpl
Then and only then recruit, why? Because you need people to train them
Those 250 recruits still have pass their security clearance & still be interested (and in the country)
It is not the establishment that is scary (it won't change till there is another reorg), the official strength is!
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Comdts figure is worse there is not anything like that number active and passing IT's . However the max you will get is 12 .
There are no vacancies for Sgts, CS, Capts or Lts on a strict number basis ; there is nothing we can do about this until they decide to fill.
When was the last unrestricted recruitment without a quota : 2008 ? That is what you are seeing there in those figures 2391 to 899 for Pte"Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "
"No, they're trying to fly the tank"
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different ends of the force. Still need a comdt in a Bn comdrs unit sub meeting to hold his own. It is very badly needed and costs fk-all to do . and the question is not a good one anyway because obviously there isn't a comdt in charge of the company at the moment. That's why it needs to be filled."Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "
"No, they're trying to fly the tank"
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