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  • Originally posted by DeV View Post
    Couldn't tell you but TS RDF 16/2014 was signed 16 Apr 14
    Have another look.It's "conditionally approved" IE there are still parts of it awaiting final go ahead from the Academic council.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • what for something that is kicking off in a few weeks ?
      "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

      "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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      • I just reread it. It reads to me that the intention was centralised training with the BTCs but the reality isn't going that way

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        • They finally got the strength of the RDF (30 Jun 14) - appears to be total strength:
          Total 2326
          AR 2188
          NSR 138

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
            According to the directive the Inf run a pln, Cav another etc etc
            Am I reading you right.

            Each corps will run its own pln of recruits?
            Isn't that just going back to the old way?
            Wasn't the strength of PAs drastically reduces?
            Surely Inf is the biggest corps and therefore need substantially more recruits?

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            • Originally posted by Saab View Post
              Am I reading you right.

              Each corps will run its own pln of recruits?
              Isn't that just going back to the old way?
              Wasn't the strength of PAs drastically reduces?
              Surely Inf is the biggest corps and therefore need substantially more recruits?
              That's what I was getting at earlier. If you want centralised training, there has to be a lead unit
              "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                They finally got the strength of the RDF (30 Jun 14) - appears to be total strength:
                Total 2326
                AR 2188
                NSR 138
                Holy shit! That's well below establishment ....
                "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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                • Originally posted by Saab View Post
                  Am I reading you right.

                  Each corps will run its own pln of recruits?
                  Isn't that just going back to the old way?
                  Wasn't the strength of PAs drastically reduces?
                  Surely Inf is the biggest corps and therefore need substantially more recruits?
                  Not Corps, unit

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                  • Well, that was a shock...not an unexpected one but didn't think it would be as bad as it is.

                    The current establishment figures!!!

                    Pulled out the old establishment figures that were the ones people were working off of dated 30 Sep 2012.

                    Now the real shock!

                    Based on the old and current figures, the Army Reserve has lost 62% of its Privates in 19 months. That is a damning statement.
                    The Army Reserve lost 43% of its Cpls and 36% of its Sgts. That is the lifeblood of the RDF draining away. It can easily afford to lose officers and senior NCOs but the real loss where it will really hurt.

                    The over all figures (Army Reserve Only)

                    Rank 30 Sep 12 30 Jun 14 % Loss Est
                    Lt Col 0 5 Gain 5
                    Comdt 77 40 48 60
                    Capt 151 112 26 107
                    Lt 239 229 4 110
                    SM 12 8 33 1
                    BQ 12 10 17 0
                    CS 80 59 26 36
                    CQ 70 72 Gain ??? 36
                    Sgt 525 337 36 303
                    Cpl 736 417 43 710
                    Pte 2391 899 62 2501
                    Total 4293 2188 49 3869
                    Ok, I know that some of this would (hopefully) be a clearing out of the books but they are still extremely damning figures. The RDF has 250 recruits coming in (AR & NSR). And we still haven't even begun to lose personnel due to KPIs which will likely to be another large number.

                    The real scary thing is that these are the OFFICIAL Establishment figures - figures which never really reflected reality anyway. Things were always worse than the official figures.
                    Last edited by madden; 23 July 2014, 09:51.

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                    • Does anyone remember where to find the figures for numbers of people who completed paid training in 2013?

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                      • Originally posted by madden View Post
                        Does anyone remember where to find the figures for numbers of people who completed paid training in 2013?
                        Post 4379

                        Figure was 1,734

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                        • Originally posted by madden View Post
                          Well, that was a shock...not an unexpected one but didn't think it would be as bad as it is.

                          The current establishment figures!!!

                          Pulled out the old establishment figures that were the ones people were working off of dated 30 Sep 2012.

                          Now the real shock!

                          Based on the old and current figures, the Army Reserve has lost 62% of its Privates in 19 months. That is a damning statement.
                          The Army Reserve lost 43% of its Cpls and 36% of its Sgts. That is the lifeblood of the RDF draining away. It can easily afford to lose officers and senior NCOs but the real loss where it will really hurt.

                          The over all figures (Army Reserve Only)

                          Rank 30 Sep 12 30 Jun 14 % Loss Est
                          Lt Col 0 5 Gain 5
                          Comdt 77 40 48 60
                          Capt 151 112 26 107
                          Lt 239 229 4 110
                          SM 12 8 33 1
                          BQ 12 10 17 0
                          CS 80 59 26 36
                          CQ 70 72 Gain ??? 36
                          Sgt 525 337 36 303
                          Cpl 736 417 43 710
                          Pte 2391 899 62 2501
                          Total 4293 2188 49 3869
                          Ok, I know that some of this would (hopefully) be a clearing out of the books but they are still extremely damning figures. The RDF has 250 recruits coming in (AR & NSR). And we still haven't even begun to lose personnel due to KPIs which will likely to be another large number.

                          The real scary thing is that these are the OFFICIAL Establishment figures - figures which never really reflected reality anyway. Things were always worse than the official figures.
                          The answer?:
                          Fill vacancies for Comdt, Capt, Sgt & Cpl

                          Then and only then recruit, why? Because you need people to train them



                          Those 250 recruits still have pass their security clearance & still be interested (and in the country)

                          It is not the establishment that is scary (it won't change till there is another reorg), the official strength is!

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                          • Comdts figure is worse there is not anything like that number active and passing IT's . However the max you will get is 12 .

                            There are no vacancies for Sgts, CS, Capts or Lts on a strict number basis ; there is nothing we can do about this until they decide to fill.

                            When was the last unrestricted recruitment without a quota : 2008 ? That is what you are seeing there in those figures 2391 to 899 for Pte
                            "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                            "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                            • What's the point in promoting a few comdts when the company's they're meant to be in charge of are at pl or pl minus level?
                              Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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                              • different ends of the force. Still need a comdt in a Bn comdrs unit sub meeting to hold his own. It is very badly needed and costs fk-all to do . and the question is not a good one anyway because obviously there isn't a comdt in charge of the company at the moment. That's why it needs to be filled.
                                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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