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  • Well what is the new government doing about the recruitment ban?

    Last I recall there was questions to the minister to which he answered that he had not ordered a ban.

    Are we just to be ignored in the hope that the RDF will just fizzle out?
    Without supplies no army is brave.

    —Frederick the Great,

    Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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    • Originally posted by luchi View Post
      Well what is the new government doing about the recruitment ban?

      Last I recall there was questions to the minister to which he answered that he had not ordered a ban.

      Are we just to be ignored in the hope that the RDF will just fizzle out?
      Whatever about the recruitment ban, word on the street is that promotions
      from Lt to Capt and Capt to Comdt may be occurring shortly

      Also similar for Sen NCO appointments
      "Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"

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      • Originally posted by Truck Driver View Post
        Whatever about the recruitment ban, word on the street is that promotions
        from Lt to Capt and Capt to Comdt may be occurring shortly

        Also similar for Sen NCO appointments
        Have heard that too but what is the point?

        Promote the upper ranks eventually requires the promotion of the lower ranks. If there are no recruits then eventually there are no Pts and so nothing for the upper ranks to do.
        (right that is very simplistic but I am sure you all get the point!!!)

        RDF supposidly mirrors the PDF. they are recruiting so why aren't we!!
        Without supplies no army is brave.

        —Frederick the Great,

        Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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        • Originally posted by luchi View Post
          Have heard that too but what is the point?

          Promote the upper ranks eventually requires the promotion of the lower ranks. If there are no recruits then eventually there are no Pts and so nothing for the upper ranks to do.
          (right that is very simplistic but I am sure you all get the point!!!)
          Which is probably why the PDF and taking on recruits and cadets!

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          • Originally posted by luchi View Post
            RDF supposidly mirrors the PDF. they are recruiting so why aren't we!!
            Thats the problem isn't it?

            Maybe the VFM and white paper are to reccommend an extreme deflation in numbers.

            So much so that there is no need to recruit, when they have to clean house first.
            It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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            • Originally posted by Bam Bam View Post
              Maybe the VFM and white paper are to reccommend an extreme deflation in numbers.
              maybe, so why inflate the senior ranks?

              So much so that there is no need to recruit, when they have to clean house first.
              There has been many a coment here about the deadwood being at the top and the need for new blood and a "new order".
              Promoting and not recruiting is the direct opposite of doing that.
              Without supplies no army is brave.

              —Frederick the Great,

              Instructions to his Generals, 1747

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              • Originally posted by luchi View Post
                maybe, so why inflate the senior ranks?


                There has been many a coment here about the deadwood being at the top and the need for new blood and a "new order".
                The base problem, though, is senior ranks going to pot. Some few do have the natural inclination and outside interests to keep themselves fit and active, but for those who don't... There's also too much of an over-reliance on shoving people with degrees onto Pot. Officer courses. This isn't how the regular army promote from the ranks, so why should we?

                As for my own tuppenceworth:
                • The First and Second Line Reserves must be amalgamated. The First Line may not particularly like this (how often does it train now?) but there are surely ways to sweeten the pill.
                • Recruitment to the PDF should only be through the RDF, which weeds out time-wasters (they cream off the top of RDF in any case).
                • There should be a role for the RDF in Civil Defence, which would be to the benefit of both organisations.
                • There should be flexible re-enlistment/re-commissioning - certainly, years served previously in the RDF should be added to the age limit if you try to re-join.


                Sin iad.

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                • Originally posted by Wicklaman View Post
                  The First and Second Line Reserves must be amalgamated. The First Line may not particularly like this (how often does it train now?) but there are surely ways to sweeten the pill.
                  The FLR is a paper force of ex-PDF and doesnt train or cost anything to keep.

                  Recruitment to the PDF should only be through the RDF, which weeds out time-wasters (they cream off the top of RDF in any case).
                  What time wasters?
                  Very very few PDF have ever been in the FCA/RDF.

                  There should be a role for the RDF in Civil Defence, which would be to the benefit of both organisations.
                  The CD do very little as it is so what can the RDF do for them.

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                  • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                    The FLR is a paper force of ex-PDF and doesnt train or cost anything to keep.



                    What time wasters?
                    Very very few PDF have ever been in the FCA/RDF.



                    The CD do very little as it is so what can the RDF do for them.


                    You are joking of course?
                    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                    And whistled early with the lark.

                    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                    He put a bullet through his brain.
                    And no one spoke of him again.

                    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                    • Originally posted by Buck View Post
                      You are joking of course?
                      Its a fact.

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                      • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                        Its a fact.
                        backed up by what evidence? It's not a fact. It's just you saying it. Doesn't make it true.
                        I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                        Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                        Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                        And whistled early with the lark.

                        In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                        With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                        He put a bullet through his brain.
                        And no one spoke of him again.

                        You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                        Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                        Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                        The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                        • Originally posted by Buck View Post
                          backed up by what evidence? It's not a fact. It's just you saying it. Doesn't make it true.
                          It is true, ask anyone in the PDF have they ever been in the FCA/RDF.
                          Only one person in my Company was in the FCA before joining the PDF.
                          In my recruit platoon out of the 28 of us who past out only 3 had been in the FCA.

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                          • Originally posted by Wicklaman View Post
                            [*]Recruitment to the PDF should only be through the RDF, which weeds out time-wasters (they cream off the top of RDF in any case).
                            **** no.

                            Being a member of the RDF doesn't make you good enough for the PDF. People should be getting places based on merit, not what volunteer organisation they're a part of.

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                            • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                              Its a fact.
                              Just because you say something, it's not a fact.

                              When you're going off your own experiences, people tend to say "In my experience" not "It's a fact."

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                              • Originally posted by Rhodes View Post
                                It is true, ask anyone in the PDF have they ever been in the FCA/RDF.
                                Only one person in my Company was in the FCA before joining the PDF.
                                In my recruit platoon out of the 28 of us who past out only 3 had been in the FCA.
                                When was this if you don't mind me asking? The majority of PDFers I've been talking to said that they were in the FCA/RDF at some stage.
                                I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                                Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                                Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                                And whistled early with the lark.

                                In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                                With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                                He put a bullet through his brain.
                                And no one spoke of him again.

                                You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                                Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                                Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                                The hell where youth and laughter go.

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