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    Air Defence Regiment Orbat

    Can anyone advise what the current Orbat for Air Defence is? Have the Bofors and Flycatchers been mothballed or sold? Ditto the Mark 1 RBS70's?

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    Do you want to know where the keys for the ammo stores are kept too?

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    Under the mat that says "you again?" on it, isn't it?
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    Its up on the net that the Bofors got boarded in 2013.

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    In one word......lasers

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    The handheld pointer ones have proven very effective on AH64 jockeys and made them open up the range!

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    Could you imagine that though... Someone tries to blind an apache pilot with a hand held laser.... And the immediate response is 50 rounds of 30mm right back down the line of the laser! Game over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napp View Post
    Could you imagine that though... Someone tries to blind an apache pilot with a hand held laser.... And the immediate response is 50 rounds of 30mm right back down the line of the laser! Game over
    The flights into Dublin Airport should have similar counter measures
    Might sort out the f***ers who were shining lasers up at the planes a while ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
    Can anyone advise what the current Orbat for Air Defence is? Have the Bofors and Flycatchers been mothballed or sold? Ditto the Mark 1 RBS70's?
    AFAIK the ORBAT isn't in the public domain since the reorg

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    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
    "No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."

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    6 years old now.
    Time for another break I think......

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    This thread really highlights the very limited AD capability here.

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    It's probably the most capable it has ever been

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    whitepaper makes cause for upgraded detection (radars) and also looking at improving capabilities of interception or of defending the airspace. even to see that mentioned on a white paper along with these upgrades to the RBS 70s is amazing.

    In other news i seem to remember hearing from someone that the giraffes aren't all in full working condition. this would upset me to be honest if it were true. but wouldn't surprise me.
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
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    They purchased 5 operational and 2 spares

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    Anyone heard if the Flycatchers have been offered for sale or just locked in shed somewhere?

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    I'd imagine the prospect of selling or gifting something so unambiguously warry to another nation would give the DoD nightmares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    I'd imagine the prospect of selling or gifting something so unambiguously warry to another nation would give the DoD nightmares.
    It's a purely defensive weapon. You ain't invading anyone with it.

    The flycatcher/bofors combo were a stop gap post 9/11 opportunity buy when they were offloaded by the Dutch. They were already well on their way to obsolescence in 2001. A huge step up on the L60 and by all accounts a massive improvement in accuracy. However in any sort of contested environment the radar operator in the trailer would probably have been occupying the worst seat in the DF. Museum pieces now.

    The newer Giraffe radar sets that were sourced from Norway are only marginally newer than the original DF operated version and themselves would certainly be having obsolescence issues by now. Another stop gap.

    Wonder what stop gap they'll find next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    It's a purely defensive weapon. You ain't invading anyone with it.

    The flycatcher/bofors combo were a stop gap post 9/11 opportunity buy when they were offloaded by the Dutch. They were already well on their way to obsolescence in 2001. A huge step up on the L60 and by all accounts a massive improvement in accuracy. However in any sort of contested environment the radar operator in the trailer would probably have been occupying the worst seat in the DF. Museum pieces now.

    The newer Giraffe radar sets that were sourced from Norway are only marginally newer than the original DF operated version and themselves would certainly be having obsolescence issues by now. Another stop gap.

    Wonder what stop gap they'll find next.
    Agree with all of that, just feel they'd be very reluctant to supply them to any nation that might actually use them operationally - lest an An-2 be knocked out of the sky in Mali or Latvia followed by "these were supplied by Ireland..." stories and diplomatic fidgeting.

    But perhaps I'm wrong.

    God forbid we'd ever tag on to an order for Giraffe AMB's with the neighbours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjock View Post
    It's a purely defensive weapon. You ain't invading anyone with it.

    The flycatcher/bofors combo were a stop gap post 9/11 opportunity buy when they were offloaded by the Dutch. They were already well on their way to obsolescence in 2001. A huge step up on the L60 and by all accounts a massive improvement in accuracy. However in any sort of contested environment the radar operator in the trailer would probably have been occupying the worst seat in the DF. Museum pieces now.

    The newer Giraffe radar sets that were sourced from Norway are only marginally newer than the original DF operated version and themselves would certainly be having obsolescence issues by now. Another stop gap.

    Wonder what stop gap they'll find next.
    There are possibly a few Gulf war era Rapiers going cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    There are possibly a few Gulf war era Rapiers going cheap.
    if they come with a support package then they'll remain servicable, and capable of point defence against civil aircraft and lower grade military aircraft well into the future. the problem in terms of defending - for example - an EU leaders summit is of course is their range. they'll be able to stop someone piling into Dublin Castle, but where will the wreckage fall...

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    There are possibly a few Gulf war era Rapiers going cheap.
    Not a big fan to be honest. Radar slewing to optical CLOS guidance with an impact rather than proximity fuse doesn't seem like the greatest combination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    There are possibly a few Gulf war era Rapiers going cheap.
    Giraffe Mk4 radar & RBS70 with BOILDE
    Radar range 50km
    BV206 mounted
    Tracks up to 20 targets
    Controls up to 20 RBS70 FUs (each engaging 1 target at a time)
    Max range 8km
    Max alt 4km

    Rapier 2000
    Radar range 16km (upgradable to 32km)
    Towed by 4x4
    Up to 75 targets
    Controls 1 Rapier FU AFAIK (can engage 2 targets simulatiously)
    Max range 8km
    Max alt 3km
    Last edited by DeV; 18th October 2015 at 01:06.

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    https://www.armyrecognition.com/nove...dish_soil.html

    Sweden are looking at replacing the RBS 70 with the RBS 98 (ground launched IRIS-T)

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