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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Also interesting is the fact there is no mechanism for SNCOs to re-enlist in a similar manner.
    https://www.defence.ie/system/files/...-bill-2018.pdf

    Not sure if progressed

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    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/w...23755?mode=amp
    Nice catch all from head of RACO.
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    I finally caught up with Mrs Browns Boys New Year show. I see that the Defence Forces are recruiting?
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    Anyone know the dates of the next recruitment campaign for this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by batterysgt View Post
    Anyone know the dates of the next recruitment campaign for this year?
    Approx April

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    yes the rhythm is April/October IIRC two per year .
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    Govt want the exers to return. Would you?
    https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-39072259.html

    If only there was some system where retired members of the DF could be kept available, like some sort of... what's the word... reserve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    Govt want the exers to return. Would you?
    https://www.independent.ie/world-new...-39072259.html

    If only there was some system where retired members of the DF could be kept available, like some sort of... what's the word... reserve?
    That would be difficult to impliment.

    Exers come back in an block up vacancies that hard working NCOs had hopped to be promoted into? If they are supernumerary, what do you do with a second Squadron Sgt? Do they come back in at the highest rank there is probably a vacancy for? Most likely a Pte in many instances?

    Hard one for PDFORRA to row in behind. Get it wrong and alienate your members. Get it right and piss off your members.

    Unless they take back technicians only but as discussed elsewhere, most of them are not taking the paycut and drop in Ts&Cs to take orders from clowns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    That would be difficult to impliment.

    Exers come back in an block up vacancies that hard working NCOs had hopped to be promoted into? If they are supernumerary, what do you do with a second Squadron Sgt? Do they come back in at the highest rank there is probably a vacancy for? Most likely a Pte in many instances?

    Hard one for PDFORRA to row in behind. Get it wrong and alienate your members. Get it right and piss off your members.

    Unless they take back technicians only but as discussed elsewhere, most of them are not taking the paycut and drop in Ts&Cs to take orders from clowns
    Well that’s the way it is set up for PDF joining RDF (which is wrong imho), no vacancy - next lowest rank

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    This really does sound like the good idea fairy had a go at it. Its a long held belief in places that there are hundreds waiting to come back whereas they could provide employment protection to the reserve , mobilize them and have a fairly wide base to add to manpower for the duration of the crisis. But as usual its no go.
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    The bringing back of former members of the PDF was legislation that was planned before all this and was based on the concept out there that there may have been people who left the organisation and regretted it but there was no mechanism for them to return. They are just bringing it forward and hoping it will also act as a conduit to expand the organisation if they need to.

    In relation to the JTF, it is no different than setting up a battle group or overseas unit. People will be drafted in to different units to make up the JTF. No major change to CS4 required and not a difficult task to change it if it is. AFAIK the Brig Gen appointment is an acting one, no different to UN appointments at this level. By all accounts he is the best man for the job but it does bring into question what the other generals are for.

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    Honestly I think this is a very cynical move by the Government.The chickens have come home to roost and the penny has finally dropped that the DF doesn't have the manpower it should have just for exactly these kind of situations.

    The good people who left because they had no choice because of the disgraceful and short sighted way the DF has been treated in recent times should see right through this and give the Government a big fat F**k You. We were good enough to be treated like the Bastard child of the Public sector when times were good. See how you get on now there is nobody left.

    Oh and BTW.When this is all over there should be a public enquiry with a "Please explain how you left this happen on your watch?" followed by a P45 for anybody in the Department who had a hand in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    That would be difficult to impliment.

    Exers come back in an block up vacancies that hard working NCOs had hopped to be promoted into? If they are supernumerary, what do you do with a second Squadron Sgt? Do they come back in at the highest rank there is probably a vacancy for? Most likely a Pte in many instances?

    Hard one for PDFORRA to row in behind. Get it wrong and alienate your members. Get it right and piss off your members.

    Unless they take back technicians only but as discussed elsewhere, most of them are not taking the paycut and drop in Ts&Cs to take orders from clowns
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    Theres 1000 ish rdf who would gladly go to help if they were requested. Legislation could be changed re employment protection for duration. If we are not utilised in this crisis we may as well disband because the govt or df dont seem to have any faith in us.

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    This is a marathon not a sprint. DF resources are slowly being ramped up, their use will depend on the need driven by the impact of the surge. At the moment we are at status yellow (there is orange and red to go yet), with the cancellation of all training activities it means that the DF can currently meed the demand from existing available resources. As a reservist the best thing you can do right now is let your unit know your availability, if you are out of work tell them you can do FTT (I know of some people who have done this and are up on FTT), if you are still employed let them know what you can do. Then just be ready for the call. If we go the way of Italy or Spain then everyone will be needed, if the containment measures work then we may not be needed. WHICH IS A GOOD THING

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    Totally agree with the above. If you find yourself temporarily unemployed, let your unit know. Plenty of man days to be used and more can be given. Right now there is no requirement to call up the RDF and we need to help our DF, they are down circa 1000 people and we could fill that gap temporarily. The increase in the allowance announced last night wont pay all my Bill's but a weeks FTT will. Now I know this wont suit everyones financial needs but it does do mine. My unit is giving me at least 3 weeks FTT starting very shortly. You should all do the same if you can.
    Last edited by batterysgt; 25th March 2020 at 09:00.

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    And spread the word, most young people might not know this is available to them.
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    Does anyone know if accepting FTT will deny you any of the COVID allowances currently being mooted by the Government ?
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    I have no idea but I'm not going to let that stop me. I'm waiting to here what the detail is for ex PDF to go back.

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    Thats fair enough. Ive made my availability known and an just waiting i suppose.

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    Current numbers. Shocking.
    The following table details the current strength (Whole Time Equivalent) figures of the Permanent Defence Force, as of the 30th April 2020, and those of the agreed establishment.
    Branch Establishment Strength Shortage
    Army 7520 6867 653
    Air Corps 886 726 160
    Naval Service 1094 892 202
    Total 9500 8485 1015
    The Government remains committed to returning to, and maintaining the agreed strength of the Permanent Defence Force at 9,500 personnel as set out in the White Paper on Defence (2015). In that context recruitment will continue throughout 2020 targeting General Service Recruits, Cadets and specialists for the Army, Air Corps and Naval Service.
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates...-06-03/5/#pq_5
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post

    To put the NS figures in perspective

    approx additional 100 personnel in training

    Senior Officer/NCO fulltime shore based positions approx 70

    Fulltime shore based appointments (MP, PSS, MT Fitters, Ordnance etc) approx 30

    Non operational (seagoing) personnel approx 30

    Thats 664 all ranks to man 9 ships

    Considering you have 13 PO/Cooks to man 7 seagoing positions the rotation of 2 years out is already gone.

    If you lose one of more due to medical issue etc, then your lucky to get one year ashore before rotation back to sea.....


    Rotations for Senior Officers approx 2 years out, 6+ years in.

    Now it becomes clear why mostly Junior Ranks are discharging.

    More time at sea for less a day than a Pte gets per day in Portlaoise Prison

    Increase in PDA & SDA could solve a lot accross the board in the DF

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    Excellent news that there are now 40 new AR Sgts

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Excellent news that there are now 40 new AR Sgts
    Yep, heard AR 2 Bde went gang busters in this regard
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