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    The new sliders seemed to work quite well.

    Hardly noticeable really.

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    €21.3 m underspend in Defence in 2017 according to C&AG

    I wonder how much was pay & allowances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    €21.3 m underspend in Defence in 2017 according to C&AG

    I wonder how much was pay & allowances?
    A chunk of that will be money that was committed in 2017 but delivery didn't happen until 2018 so the expense is incurred in 2018

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    €45,000 x 500 = €22.5mil

    Looks like payroll figure

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    Oh dear...

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37956778.html

    Recruitment campaign led to a net increase of three people in defence forces personnel – Dáil told - Independent.ie

    John Downing
    March 27 2019 2:28 PM

    The Government held a major year-long recruitment campaign for the army, navy and air corps – and it yielded a net increase of just three people, the Dáil has been told.

    Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin said the army and other parts of the defence forces are in crisis with huge numbers were leaving the defence forces every single day.

    He said serving members of the forces and their families “suffer from food, fuel, income and child poverty” and many were leaving to take better-paid jobs elsewhere in the public service.

    Mr Martin said a huge recruitment campaign in 2017, when set against the huge numbers leaving, increased to the overall complement by just three.

    “There’s a blind dependence by Government on recruiting its way on this crisis,” the Fianna Fáil leader said. He added that a total of up to 50 people in all services were leaving each month.

    There was a crisis in the numbers even allowing for the 450 personnel in full-time training and the 670 serving overseas.

    During Dáil leaders’ questions Mr Martin said ships were not able to sail last month due to lack of personnel and the Air Corps operating at just 70pc capacity.

    Replying, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar acknowledged the difficulties with retention of personnel but he also argued the issue of pay was being addressed.

    “Pay restoration is well underway across the public sector,” the Taoiseach said.

    Mr Varadkar said anyone paid under €80,000 per year would have full pay restoration by the end of this year and there was a special examination of defence forces’ allowances. “We’re allowing for the re-entry of people into the Defence Forces,” he said.

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    The sheer effort that the DF went to to get those huge numbers recruited and trained only to have the DOD waste the lot is a real shame. I would use stronger language but I need to be civil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    The sheer effort that the DF went to to get those huge numbers recruited and trained only to have the DOD waste the lot is a real shame. I would use stronger language but I need to be civil
    Its not unique to the DF.

    Where I work we have c1200 people employed , aprox 500 nurses. in 2017/18 we lost 30 nurses through natural wastage, with huge difficulty we manage to employee 29.. a net loss of one. The man hours and cost of recruitment was huge...we actually had walk in interviews for nurses, something that didn't exist 5 years previous, we still have a deficiency in nursing staff.. the post are there but no one wants them!

    Public service retention is falling apart.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    The sheer effort that the DF went to to get those huge numbers recruited and trained only to have the DOD waste the lot is a real shame. I would use stronger language but I need to be civil
    Well said

    Putting further strain on existing personnel and resources to make it possible

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    So at what point does the Defence Forces fall below critical mass to sustain itself and implodes?

    8000,

    7000,

    6000?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    So at what point does the Defence Forces fall below critical mass to sustain itself and implodes?

    8000,

    7000,

    6000?
    About 500 people ago

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    Hi ,
    My son and another lad are going to college in Limerick and they are thinking of joining the reserve at Sarsfield, has anyone any info on this unit, is it a good unit etc, thanks .
    "The tide doesn't come up for another six hours, you want to wait around here for another six hours ?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cav View Post
    Hi ,
    My son and another lad are going to college in Limerick and they are thinking of joining the reserve at Sarsfield, has anyone any info on this unit, is it a good unit etc, thanks .
    From what I know of the people there, they are a fairly active good unit

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    Quote Originally Posted by cav View Post
    Hi ,
    My son and another lad are going to college in Limerick and they are thinking of joining the reserve at Sarsfield, has anyone any info on this unit, is it a good unit etc, thanks .
    It is a good unit but, as with every RDF unit nowadays, it is over-stretched.

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    It is a good unit but, as with every RDF unit nowadays, it is over-stretched.
    Aint that the truth used to be people had leisurelly time to prepare for shooting competitions, without fail every member of the RDF I know with three stars or better is got more on their plate than they can handle. Never seen anything like it. from DFHQ to line Inf to all Corps I know of , it has certainly burnt the growth off !
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    Any word on RDF NCO promotions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batterysgt View Post
    Any word on RDF NCO promotions.
    DFTC afaik have all there’s filled
    1 Bde prompted a few in 2018
    2 Bde still waiting as far as I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    DFTC afaik have all there’s filled
    1 Bde prompted a few in 2018
    2 Bde still waiting as far as I know
    What's the hold up with 2 Bde? afaik/heard is the RDF over est since reorg. But that could not be the case if 1 Bde promoted last year. We have some ranks over est but not Sgt (so I'm told) so should be able to promote cpl to sgt

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    Similar issues within the NSR AFAIK. DF wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batterysgt View Post
    What's the hold up with 2 Bde? afaik/heard is the RDF over est since reorg. But that could not be the case if 1 Bde promoted last year. We have some ranks over est but not Sgt (so I'm told) so should be able to promote cpl to sgt
    The RDF overall is approx 25% of its establishment.

    AFAIK the only ranks that are currently over establishment are SNCOs and that will fall next year

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    You cant be overstrength in your formation i.e. Bde, unit, or subunit . Part of the RDF staff job in G1/G7 is to watch this number and ensure the vacancies arising are allotted to where they need to be ... this is for people who have the relevant promotion courses done and awaiting promotion.

    If you need people to have courses done ensure your unit can push for things on ATD for next year SNCO courses or Logs Admin dont run unless theres enough people for them for example.
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    You cant be overstrength in your formation i.e. Bde, unit, or subunit . Part of the RDF staff job in G1/G7 is to watch this number and ensure the vacancies arising are allotted to where they need to be ... this is for people who have the relevant promotion courses done and awaiting promotion.

    If you need people to have courses done ensure your unit can push for things on ATD for next year SNCO courses or Logs Admin dont run unless theres enough people for them for example.
    Except vacancies in 1 formation aren’t being filled even when they can be.

    Absolutely on the courses..... whether they are mandatory or not depends on the GOC.

    But your absolutely correct, people should be looking to do the career courses even if promotion is far off. Get it out of the way if nothing else
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    In every organisation, military or otherwise, there is nothing wrong with having staff trained to think and work above their grade. It makes sense on so many levels.
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
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    In every organisation, military or otherwise, there is nothing wrong with having staff trained to think and work above their grade. It makes sense on so many levels.
    its not just sense its doctrine in most cases, everyone should be trained 1 up "if I have to go away you're in charge" and in most cases its excellent delegation and mentoring too but the balance is hard to strike without practice and experience.
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    Dfr R5 allows rdf to be promoted to Lt Col with only pot nco cse and pot officers and most I know think that's perfectly fine. I have missed out on promotion due to this by an individual promoted to a higher rank without a snr NCOs cse done. What is the feeling of RDF personnel on here. Should you have given the time to attend and pass these courses or just attend on training on nights only to be promoted?

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    If there is no requirement for career courses for promotion, what's the point of them at all. I think they should be mandatory.

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