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    It is the Journal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    It is the Journal.
    If you need to get at the hull , pipework, and electrics then it is inevitable that cabins, bulkheads, hull lining and insulation will all have to be ripped out , and replaced in a fit out with all new materials and fittings. Virtually a new ship. All of that is consequent on hull areas having to be strengthened or cut out and replaced. When all is done I hope they carry out an Initial Stability Test to see if her start point for Stability is " as built " in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    If you need to get at the hull , pipework, and electrics then it is inevitable that cabins, bulkheads, hull lining and insulation will all have to be ripped out , and replaced in a fit out with all new materials and fittings. Virtually a new ship. All of that is consequent on hull areas having to be strengthened or cut out and replaced. When all is done I hope they carry out an Initial Stability Test to see if her start point for Stability is " as built " in the UK.
    I was aboard Eithne during one of her refits. Quite intimidating to see the majority of internal spaces back to the bare metal. They also took the opportunity to abrasive blast her superstructure, and in doing so, (removing 30 years worth of paint) probably got her sitting a few marks higher in the water.
    Since Construction P51 has gained mounts for secondary armament quite high above the CG. For such a squat profile it was an interesting decision.
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    Love the line in the article " gymnasium and private accommodation "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laners View Post
    Love the line in the article " gymnasium and private accommodation "
    In our day read POs rec and sleeping in the emergency steering flat during harbour stations... not an impossible feat..
    Time for another break I think......

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    I know when Deirdre was stripped of all her paint , after her equipment was removed during her mid life refit in 87 it was reckoned she had risen about five inches in the water.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    I know when Deirdre was stripped of all her paint , after her equipment was removed during her mid life refit in 87 it was reckoned she had risen about five inches in the water.
    Certainly when a ship is stripped and cleaned of weed and shell , she will be a little lighter in the water, and will be faster due to reduced friction ( clean hull ).
    The overall reason is mathematics based on waterplane area (WPA) and Tonnes per centimetre (TPC) loaded on or off in Salt Water or Freshwater. If for example the TPC for a P61 is 7.5 tonnes and she decreased her draft by 12.5cm (5 inches+/-), she would have shed 93.75 tonnes. Our ships carry only a few hundred tonnes of usable weights and mostly make their own FW and have no unpredictable changes in draft, except as you point out after drydocking and paint job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
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    Holy God.! We live in the steppes and know nothing of the sea. In the last day a ship that was abandoned off Bermuda in 2018 gets washed up on Ballyandreen Strand near Ballycotton. It is only 70/75 metres long and maybe 1000 tonner. It was spotted last year in the Southern area of the North Atlantic on a Latitude with Africa.
    Why wasn't it tracked by international resources, was there positional data passed to our Government and CG. What were our MPA doing. What were the NS doing with it's Complete Maritime Awareness/Complete Maritime Domain to provide situational awareness to all that need to know. While the errant vessel " ALTA" was floating around, every vessel transiting the SW approaches was in danger. Somebody knew from day one that this vessel was derelict and drifting. Imagine a 4000 passenger vessel steaming into an unlit vessel in rough seas and buried within radar clutter, or a laden tanker from Whitegate doing the same. It is at times like this we must get real and become aware of our geographic position and the responsibilities it brings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Holy God.! We live in the steppes and know nothing of the sea. In the last day a ship that was abandoned off Bermuda in 2018 gets washed up on Ballyandreen Strand near Ballycotton. It is only 70/75 metres long and maybe 1000 tonner. It was spotted last year in the Southern area of the North Atlantic on a Latitude with Africa.
    Why wasn't it tracked by international resources, was there positional data passed to our Government and CG. What were our MPA doing. What were the NS doing with it's Complete Maritime Awareness/Complete Maritime Domain to provide situational awareness to all that need to know. While the errant vessel " ALTA" was floating around, every vessel transiting the SW approaches was in danger. Somebody knew from day one that this vessel was derelict and drifting. Imagine a 4000 passenger vessel steaming into an unlit vessel in rough seas and buried within radar clutter, or a laden tanker from Whitegate doing the same. It is at times like this we must get real and become aware of our geographic position and the responsibilities it brings.
    Studying Marine Traffic services it seems this strange, short range, vehicle carrier, was centred mostly around the Greek islands, although in an alter ego she did enter Weymouth Harbour. She was built in 1976 and under Greek ownership was named AVANTIS 11, she then was Named AVANTIS1, and then ALTA. In 2019 HMS Protector came across her , when the RN vessel was on passage to Antartica, but noted no sign of life and continued on. Due to ALTA's construction she could only be boarded by Helo. We are now stuck with her and we should not have been caught unawares. Get a map of known derelicts and keep it updated.

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    As discussed on another thread, it is in a particularly inaccessible spot, and may become the next Ranga or Samson. Cork coco are monitoring the situation for oil pollution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    As discussed on another thread, it is in a particularly inaccessible spot, and may become the next Ranga or Samson. Cork coco are monitoring the situation for oil pollution.
    Technically the vessel belongs to the Receiver of wrecks of this country. They should take advice of the Agency that paid out on her dereliction and then see to her rermoval. If, after 18 months she still has Oils on board, then that has to be pumped out subject to survey of professionals. The question to be answered is why do we not have a visual or monitored VTS or do we just depend on HIM to see nothing bad happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Technically the vessel belongs to the Receiver of wrecks of this country. They should take advice of the Agency that paid out on her dereliction and then see to her rermoval. If, after 18 months she still has Oils on board, then that has to be pumped out subject to survey of professionals. The question to be answered is why do we not have a visual or monitored VTS or do we just depend on HIM to see nothing bad happens.
    As regards surveillance, in days of yore, the Roches point Lighthouse station had a monitoring radar and plot room to monitor the position of the CORK Buoy south of Cork harbour. Since the Lights were de-manned in 1992/1996 there is now no monitoring or radar. The pilot station is in the town with inner harbour views and some entrance views but no radar surveillance of the outer pilotage. Our control and monitoring of coastal regions is largely conceptual and reactive to specific circumstances. To be honest we need coastal radar coverage as in most of EU. The reason I bring this circumstance up is I may have seen this vessel south of Cork harbour from White Bay car park on Friday 14th February she was about 3 miles offshore. I thought she was a departure as her stern was towards me.
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    Here is a bit of detail from Marine Traffic:

    https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...05/vessel:ALTA

    Although given her age and when she was abandoned it is amazing that she did not founder before this. She must have weathered several hurricanes and numerous storms during the time she was drifting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Holy God.! We live in the steppes and know nothing of the sea. In the last day a ship that was abandoned off Bermuda in 2018 gets washed up on Ballyandreen Strand near Ballycotton. It is only 70/75 metres long and maybe 1000 tonner. It was spotted last year in the Southern area of the North Atlantic on a Latitude with Africa.
    Why wasn't it tracked by international resources, was there positional data passed to our Government and CG. What were our MPA doing. What were the NS doing with it's Complete Maritime Awareness/Complete Maritime Domain to provide situational awareness to all that need to know. While the errant vessel " ALTA" was floating around, every vessel transiting the SW approaches was in danger. Somebody knew from day one that this vessel was derelict and drifting. Imagine a 4000 passenger vessel steaming into an unlit vessel in rough seas and buried within radar clutter, or a laden tanker from Whitegate doing the same. It is at times like this we must get real and become aware of our geographic position and the responsibilities it brings.
    First we should be annoyed with the RN, they spotted her a long time ago and knew she had been abandoned. But what is most annoying is that any would-be smuggler will see that they would most likely not get caught unless we have prior intel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    First we should be annoyed with the RN, they spotted her a long time ago and knew she had been abandoned. But what is most annoying is that any would-be smuggler will see that they would most likely not get caught unless we have prior intel.
    She was built in Norway by Tronderverftet of Hommelvik and registered in Bergen as TANAGER. She is a general cargo ship but designed to handle Palletised cargo. She has two hull doors with drive on/off facilities. She was then renamed POMOR MURMAN, later POLAR TRADER, later AVANTIS11, later AVANTIS1,later MAX MAMUTT, later ALTA, her current name. She is about 1600 tonnes and carried 128 tonnes of fuel. She could take 53 X 20ft TEU's and has a single upper hatch 19.1m X 8.8m. She is built with three decks. She is built to Norwegian Bureau standards.

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    Quick lick of grey paint and we can sell her off to the Libyan Private Navy.

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