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Originally posted by DeV View PostMuch bigger and heavier foot print I’d sayFor now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostMuch bigger and heavier foot print I’d sayLast edited by ancientmariner; 22 January 2021, 11:11.
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[QUOTE=DeV;484452]One of the P60s went to an arms show and the left went mad
But of little use for anything but training
Dorset-based maritime technology company ATLAS ELEKTRONIK UK (AEUK) has delivered the First of Class 15m Officer Training Boat (OTB) to the Britannia Royal Naval College (BRNC) in Dartmouth. This is the first of eight OTBs to be delivered under a major contract placed with AEUK in 2017 for the supply and support of up to 38 Workboats for the UK MOD over a six year period.
More than 80% of sea training and ship system and characteristics training HAS to be carried out at sea. Initial training should be carried out on vessels designed for taking a bit of rough handling. All of our training is carried out on ships of high value. There is a burden placed on the shoulders of first time Captains that could be ameliorated by having smaller workhorse vessels to practice on. Other European Navies have scores of smaller craft for training and local tasking giving opportunity for step by step training, while we have NO training craft. I hope the point is taken up by the COD and the historic destruction of skills lost in ASW, MCM, FDO, HCO, and other specialisations cast away as ships come and go.
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Originally posted by Egbeygia View PostI can assure you that the Irish Coastguard does have a surface picture, fed from a number of sources and monitored at all times. Vessels acting on contravention of the Rules, displaying incorrect Nav Status for instance, are contacted, as are vessels at anchor outside port limits. I'm unsure as to why you find it necessary to fault those involved in a successfully concluded rescue other than to serve a very narrow agenda in support of the NS,which I can assure you at this moment in time is a pale imitation of the Service you were a member of.
I accept that the USCG and RN are also culpable for allowing her to become derelict and later continuing to remain derelict. Our Surface picture is not interactive enough as we are missing surface scan by radar.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThere is an evident weakness in the Surface picture as it requires the active co-operation of the traffic in your area of observation. The Safhaven Marine video recently of the grounded MV Alta, starting to break-up in stormy wave action, shows that for more than a week, we were unaware of a drifting ,unlit vessel, off our coast. Any other vessel could have run full tilt into the derelict with major consequences. VTS with radar or MPA's with tracking and analysis could have spotted her before grounding.
I accept that the USCG and RN are also culpable for allowing her to become derelict and later continuing to remain derelict. Our Surface picture is not interactive enough as we are missing surface scan by radar.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmiti View PostCould the proposed installation of floating wind turbines off the SW coast provide a platform for Radar, extending our view off our most exposed, busy but remote coast? It's a shame that with the demise of Kinsale Alpha and Bravo we lose an AIS receiver.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThere is an evident weakness in the Surface picture as it requires the active co-operation of the traffic in your area of observation. The Safhaven Marine video recently of the grounded MV Alta, starting to break-up in stormy wave action, shows that for more than a week, we were unaware of a drifting ,unlit vessel, off our coast. Any other vessel could have run full tilt into the derelict with major consequences. VTS with radar or MPA's with tracking and analysis could have spotted her before grounding.
I accept that the USCG and RN are also culpable for allowing her to become derelict and later continuing to remain derelict. Our Surface picture is not interactive enough as we are missing surface scan by radar.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostThe Marine Casualty Investigation Branch (MCIB) wants" a working group to explore the risks and potential costs to the State presented by derelict ships entering Irish waters and coming ashore in Ireland. it should make proposals for means to identify, track, monitor and interdict derelict ships before they endanger other ships and seafarers". It also struck me that the Irish Lights Commissioners had a Surface scan radar at the look out at Roches Point which was discontinued when they de-manned and sold the house to a retired mariner. I know it is fortuitous, but that radar would have seen ALTA. We definitely need better surveillance and strict speed and course monitoring of all surface vessels and query those not underway as to condition.Last edited by ibenji; 5 March 2021, 00:35.
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For anyone interested in the MCIB, this is of interest. Enlightening reading.
Shows the complete and utter failure of government to govern properly and abide by EU Legislation.
Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport
General Scheme of the Merchant Shipping (Investigation of Marine Casualties) (Amendment) Bill 2020: Discussion
Mr. Michael Kingston:
The first thing I would say is that we do not need another review. We already have the 1998 review, which was clear in its recommendations on what is needed. We need an independent investigative unit with competence. For whatever reason, the end of the 1998 report went against itself. It was clear following the Betelgeuse tragedy in 1979 that we needed to decouple the regulator from the investigation system.
Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
As outlined in my letter of 19 January 2021, I consider that the time is now opportune to undertake a fundamental review of the structures in place for marine accident investigations. This review will be carried out by an independent expert and concluded over the coming months.
Timmy Dooley (Fianna Fail)
I recognise and respect the Minister's point on the review, but those of us who have had the honour and privilege to serve around these Houses for a number of years are well used to departmental speak. I am not accusing the Minister of it at all; he is new to this Department. Departmental speak when it relates to a review is, effectively, the long finger and to move on.
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Originally posted by ibenji View PostI have being liaising with MCIB for the last 2 years in relation to an accident and I have never met a more incompetent statutory authority in this country. 2 of the 5 part time board members have had to resign due to conflict of interest. The state had so much time to respond to this derelict ship but instead of reacting to the threat, they just sat back and watched. Appalling reaction to a clear environmental threat.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostDon't know about composition or otherwise of MCIB. Our National response was negative as we didn't know it was there for more than a week, drifting in shipping lanes, until it turned up on our doorstep, courtesy of the USCG and RN. For more than a year that vessel was towable having weathered a hurricane and Storm Denis. Some effort should have been triggered to find her and remove her .
Just no one was looking at the screen and investigating the possible detections.
Here's what a 80m vessel looks like on 14FEB2020
Here's what MV ALTA looks like on the rocks at Ballycotton on 17FEB20
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Originally posted by TangoSierra View PostMV ALTA was possibly detected on the 13FEB, 14FEB, 15FEB and obviously confirmed detection on the 16FEB by several sensors available to Ireland through the EU and commercial operators.
Just no one was looking at the screen and investigating the possible detections.
Here's what a 80m vessel looks like on 14FEB2020
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Here's what MV ALTA looks like on the rocks at Ballycotton on 17FEB20
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