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  • Originally posted by Graylion View Post
    What I am finding interesting is this from the draft paper

    "6.12 Haulbowline Naval Base is of strategic importance to the Naval Service and Ireland given its geographic location. In line with the ongoing investment programme in new ships, there will be a need for future expansion of the Naval Base with the requirement for additional berthage and the development of a dry-dock. Future development in Cork Harbour will need to take cognisance of the unique requirements of the Naval Service."
    This is an eureka moment. Delighted with that statement but am always sceptical when aspirations and budgets do not coincide, unless increased berthage and drydock is going to be funded from Dept of Building , Planning and Environment. In another piece in today's Irish Examiner Captain Mc Carthy, Chairman of Cruise Europe, is negative about proposed river Crossing in Cork that will isolate upper Quays and shut out all traffic including visiting Naval vessels.

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    • (a) No crossing is needed there, the residents want to walk there, they want less vehicles.
      (b) There was supposed to be a swing bridge. You must keep the city quays open to all vessels. Otherwise just fill in the river with concrete and be done with it.

      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
        This is an eureka moment. Delighted with that statement but am always sceptical when aspirations and budgets do not coincide, unless increased berthage and drydock is going to be funded from Dept of Building , Planning and Environment. In another piece in today's Irish Examiner Captain Mc Carthy, Chairman of Cruise Europe, is negative about proposed river Crossing in Cork that will isolate upper Quays and shut out all traffic including visiting Naval vessels.
        Work on additional berthage has already started. Drydock is new

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          Work on additional berthage has already started. Drydock is new
          Where is the work on berthage happening? Are they restoring the Graving dock(a tight squeeze without cranes or engineering workshops nearby). I always believed purchase of a floating dock, locating at (and leasing to/from) the Cork Dockyard would be a wise move in the long term. Cork Dockyard continues to be used to assemble Dockside cranes, ironically having none itself. Proposed plans for floating offshore wind farms will require lots of space ashore for assembly, support and repair. If the NS purchased a Floating dock, and leased it to DSG, it would be paid for within 10 years.
          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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          • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
            Where is the work on berthage happening? Are they restoring the Graving dock(a tight squeeze without cranes or engineering workshops nearby). I always believed purchase of a floating dock, locating at (and leasing to/from) the Cork Dockyard would be a wise move in the long term. Cork Dockyard continues to be used to assemble Dockside cranes, ironically having none itself. Proposed plans for floating offshore wind farms will require lots of space ashore for assembly, support and repair. If the NS purchased a Floating dock, and leased it to DSG, it would be paid for within 10 years.
            We can't afford a "floating dock", only large countries with a long naval tradition like Cameroon can do that!!!!

            https://www.defenceweb.co.za/sea/sea...ock-in-action/

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            • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
              Where is the work on berthage happening? Are they restoring the Graving dock(a tight squeeze without cranes or engineering workshops nearby). I always believed purchase of a floating dock, locating at (and leasing to/from) the Cork Dockyard would be a wise move in the long term. Cork Dockyard continues to be used to assemble Dockside cranes, ironically having none itself. Proposed plans for floating offshore wind farms will require lots of space ashore for assembly, support and repair. If the NS purchased a Floating dock, and leased it to DSG, it would be paid for within 10 years.


              Doesn’t DSG not already have a floating dock? There was pics of one on their previous website.

              Would require a multi annual tender for all the vessels. Not impossible but generally not done by DoD

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/docmgm...8&DVID=1219071

                Doesn’t DSG not already have a floating dock? There was pics of one on their previous website.

                Would require a multi annual tender for all the vessels. Not impossible but generally not done by DoD
                It started sinking sometime round 2010, was scrapped soon after. Was in frequent use for maintenance of the CPVs but couldn't manage anything much bigger. There was a much larger one along side it for years.


                Last edited by na grohmiti; 2 August 2020, 20:04.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/docmgm...8&DVID=1219071

                  Doesn’t DSG not already have a floating dock? There was pics of one on their previous website.

                  Would require a multi annual tender for all the vessels. Not impossible but generally not done by DoD
                  The floating docks are gone many years. Reading the request for Tender to increase berthage at the naval base seems to have so many unquantifiable hindrances to commencement of work that not many Irish firms will be interested!! I would have thought the major thing would be to remove all of the unwanted silt by a dredging contractor at first and then follow with the engineering works. The dredging will be mostly suction and waterjet coupled with a magnetic means to remove steel jetsam. Using the graving dock for staggered berthage is a bad mistake as it is virtually destroying it as a potential drydock and when in use the outer ship will block the inner ship freedom of movement. Better make it a covered dock to work on ships afloat, one at a time.

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                  • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                    The floating docks are gone many years. Reading the request for Tender to increase berthage at the naval base seems to have so many unquantifiable hindrances to commencement of work that not many Irish firms will be interested!! I would have thought the major thing would be to remove all of the unwanted silt by a dredging contractor at first and then follow with the engineering works. The dredging will be mostly suction and waterjet coupled with a magnetic means to remove steel jetsam. Using the graving dock for staggered berthage is a bad mistake as it is virtually destroying it as a potential drydock and when in use the outer ship will block the inner ship freedom of movement. Better make it a covered dock to work on ships afloat, one at a time.
                    Costings were done on this some years ago and it was not at all costly. Biggest problem is the Visual intrusion such a structure would bring, and the outrage from NIMBYs in Cob H.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • Originally posted by na grohmiti View Post
                      Costings were done on this some years ago and it was not at all costly. Biggest problem is the Visual intrusion such a structure would bring, and the outrage from NIMBYs in Cob H.
                      I thought the Basin had already had a full dredging only a couple of years ago to remove the slit and debris from Steel? As to the visual impact, feck me, we had steel itself for decades how could covering the the graving dock be any more than that?

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                      • Not sure how much of the graving dock was dredged. It would have had a large quantity of steel here as this was where finished product was loaded to go outbound.
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                          The floating docks are gone many years. Reading the request for Tender to increase berthage at the naval base seems to have so many unquantifiable hindrances to commencement of work that not many Irish firms will be interested!! I would have thought the major thing would be to remove all of the unwanted silt by a dredging contractor at first and then follow with the engineering works. The dredging will be mostly suction and waterjet coupled with a magnetic means to remove steel jetsam. Using the graving dock for staggered berthage is a bad mistake as it is virtually destroying it as a potential drydock and when in use the outer ship will block the inner ship freedom of movement. Better make it a covered dock to work on ships afloat, one at a time.
                          Could well be gone

                          Which is probably why it’s says it should be removed

                          In fairness in the basin there is only so many places to go

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                          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                            Could well be gone

                            Which is probably why it’s says it should be removed

                            In fairness in the basin there is only so many places to go
                            Just answering a question. Engineering wise not many companies are into specialised dredging. It would be better to have that done first and then figure solving an engineering problem of making provision for a 125/130 metre ship which may need to be 180'ed to get out of the basin. Rolling all the exigencies of updating the basin facilities into one contract may frighten most ,unless they receive letters of comfort and an open chequebook. Any Mariner would know what to do with the basin. Make it bigger and re-instate the drydock. While all this is going on, including loading dredged contaminants for processing means we may have to vacate the basin for some time, for after all, as you say there is only so many places to go in that basin.

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                            • Why is the assumption that any new berthage is within the basis?
                              If the NS does ever get an EPV/MRV it could be much large than any current vessel.

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                              • Any plans I saw had new berthage outside the basin to the north where water is deep. The quay at the basin entrance was also in the plan as a short term berth.
                                At present at least one ship is using the Deepwater berth in Cobh on a regular basis.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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